4 Outs? Thats Like Gut Shot Material

[Royal_Tour 0]

1/2 NLhero - 280UTG 200villain 400both villains are drunk, UTG sucks and villain with 400 has been talking about how he plays 5-10nl and that this game is a joke. hero is BB with 10,8UTG raise to 5, 2 calls, villain call. button fold. sb call. hero call. flop (30)10s,9c,8h rainbow. sb check, hero bet 20. UTG call. 2 folds, villain call, sb fold.turn (90)7d still rainbowhero check, UTG bet 30, villain call 30. hero?Can anyone justify the implied odds for this hand to make a call to hit a 4 outer? or does everyone feel its a standard fold?

[David_Nicoson 1]

Using rough math, we're about a 10:1 dog to improve so we'd need to win $300 to break even when calling $30. There's already $150 in the pot, but UTG has less than $150 left. We'd have to expect to get something out of the other villain plus always stack UTG when you hit. I think that's optimistic.Assuming we fold on the river unimproved, I think we should fold the turn.

[MikeBauer26 0]

I am indesci.... indici...I cant decide:Pro:Although maybe even drunk villains wont go broke with the overpair on a paired a straight heavy board. You might get away with a pot sized bet. And it might annoy them enough that they move in on you with week hands in next rounds. EV is probably negative but I consider this one of sklanskys "minor mistakes".Con:One thing though: the two remaining 8s might not really be your outs but infact villains outs if he is such a genius at higher stakes and sitting there with 99.Na... I cant fold here for 30.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I am indesci.... indici...I cant decide:Pro:Although maybe even drunk villains wont go broke with the overpair on a paired a straight heavy board. You might get away with a pot sized bet. And it might annoy them enough that they move in on you with week hands in next rounds. EV is probably negative but I consider this one of sklanskys "minor mistakes".Con:One thing though: the two remaining 8s might not really be your outs but infact villains outs if he is such a genius at higher stakes and sitting there with 99.Na... I cant fold here for 30.

i basically put them both on straights here.

[MikeBauer26 0]

then call... or do you expect them to fold straights on a paired board for potsized bet?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Fold.

[mtdesmoines 2]

This is usually a fold, but I rarely do because ISAP. Hit your boat and stack them because they ain't folding their straights.

[Zach6668 513]

You need to make like $165 after you hit here to make the call worth it. I don't think you will do it often enough.