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[dluzion]

The scenario is as follows:

.50/1 full ring game.I am one behind the dealer with 45h. No pre flop raise. BB, dealer and me see a flop. Pot is $3.50

Flop is 4dJd10h. BB bets $2, i call and dealer raises to $7. BB folds i call. Pot is $19.50

Turn is Kh. I check and dealer bets $12. I call. Pot is $43.50

River is 6h. I bet $20 and dealer calls and shows KdQd.


After this hand he abused the hell out of me and called me every name under the sun.

My question is, is this a donk play by me?

My reasoning for calling on the flop is that if i hit a 5 or 4 i could get paid off nicely and if a heart drops a i have a few more outs to draw to. If a brick fell on the turn i would fold. My read on the dealer was that he had a J with some sort of decent kicker but not the flush draw aswell.

Thank you in advance for your insight and help.

[BuffDan]

My reasoning for calling on the flop is that if i hit a 5 or 4 i could get paid off nicely and if a heart drops a i have a few more outs to draw to. If a brick fell on the turn i would fold. My read on the dealer was that he had a J with some sort of decent kicker but not the flush draw aswell.

The thing is, what if it is the 5d? Or what if one of the villains already has two pair? The point is, there are ways you could "hit your hand" and still be way behind, that is what is commonly referred to as Reverse Implied Odds (or RIO).

Plus you are out of position, so its much harder to get paid off even if you do hit your 5 outer, which only happens about 10% of the time on the turn. And calling to just hit a flush draw is also a leak; the odds of runner-runner flush are extremely small (< 4%) and you probably will be forced to call a turn bet where you aren't getting the right odds.

So yes, this is a donk play, but the important thing is to learn why and how to avoid doing it in the future. Even if it did work out this time.

[Citizen Erased]

It is, but you'll learn from it. That's what counts.

[gfdsa146]

I think stack sizes are relevant here. Both you and your opponents are gonna need to be deep-stacked to justify the flop call.

[NoBBiR]

Just fold the flop next time. Nothing good can come from calling a bet and a raise with bottom pair no draw.

[king_tanner]

Drawing for a 4, 5, or runner runner hearts when you think he has a J is a bad play in my opinion, your draw isn't strong enough to invest that many chips.