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[Craigdog]

Partypoker 6 Players - 100NL Holdemhero is SB, has a loose image as I have been getting a few cards and raising a ton in late pos. Villian seems kinda loose but no stats to verify, just my read!Hero ($133.68) BB holds: A 10 Villian MP2 ($134.11) Villian raises to $4, CO calls $4, SB folds, hero calls $3.Flop: A 7 10 hero bets $11, Villian raises to $30, CO folds, hero?Good spot for a push?

[Craigdog]

posted in wrong section, please can admin move this to NL Holdem cash Game strat?

[HighwayStar]

Looks like 8c 9c (or a similar monster draw)/A7/Flopped set.I probably shove.

[psujohn]

Villain raised pf but he's "kinda loose" so that doesn't necessarily eliminate an 8c9c type hand but isn't the majority of his range here big aces? Aren't we giving up value against an AK/AQ type hand if we shove? The stack sizes are a bit awkward in my mind for a shove. I think we're pretty much only getting our shove called by 77.

[IBFT]

psujohn, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

Villain raised pf but he's "kinda loose" so that doesn't necessarily eliminate an 8c9c type hand but isn't the majority of his range here big aces? Aren't we giving up value against an AK/AQ type hand if we shove? The stack sizes are a bit awkward in my mind for a shove. I think we're pretty much only getting our shove called by 77.

With flush and straight draws out there, I normally raise to make laggy players pay to draw. And if he is on a draw, we want him to pay to draw now, and not wait till there are no cards to come.. Thats how I'd play it anyhow, but Im not saying I get the most value out of all my hands.btw, if he's truly laggy and he realizes thats his image, he might call here with a wider range than just a set, because he'll be banking on getting action from players holding less than the nuts. The combo draws should also insta call here.

[psujohn]

Yeah but the combo draws all call correctly. 89cc, KQcc are getting the proper odds to draw.There really aren't any reasonable naked flush draws. There's the naked str8 draws but villain would have to be completely retarded to call with them on a 2 flush board.I'm not saying it's right but I really want to call here an re-evaluate the turn. Problem is there are about a billion bad turn cards for us. Clubs, 6s, Js, potentiallys Ks and Qs.In the moment I very likely shove. Just trying to think if that's really our best option here.Maybe I'm just over thinking it. Our shove is only -EV if villain has a set, against the monster draws we're +EV. It really comes down to does villain call with AK, AQ enough to balance out the times that he has a set.

[jjgoldy5]

psujohn, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

Yeah but the combo draws all call correctly. 89cc, KQcc are getting the proper odds to draw.There really aren't any reasonable naked flush draws. There's the naked str8 draws but villain would have to be completely retarded to call with them on a 2 flush board.I'm not saying it's right but I really want to call here an re-evaluate the turn. Problem is there are about a billion bad turn cards for us. Clubs, 6s, Js, potentiallys Ks and Qs.In the moment I very likely shove. Just trying to think if that's really our best option here.Maybe I'm just over thinking it. Our shove is only -EV if villain has a set, against the monster draws we're +EV. It really comes down to does villain call with AK, AQ enough to balance out the times that he has a set.

Villain talks himself into calling with AK - AJ because he has to include draws in OUR range.

[Acid_Knight]

I just reraise to $90. It's all the same, but that way you let HIM be the one to raise the last chips into the pot, even if it's obvious they're going in anyway.Oh, and you really should fold this preflop 100% of the time here.

[XXEddie]

Acid_Knight, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

I just reraise to $90. It's all the same, but that way you let HIM be the one to raise the last chips into the pot, even if it's obvious they're going in anyway.Oh, and you really should fold this preflop 100% of the time here.

I hope your kidding.I flat call and check/shove the turn regardless of what falls

[simo_8ball]

Preflop is marginal. I don't think it's a big mistake to call, but I prefer folding (I usually play between 22/19 and 27/23 and I fold here most of the time).I agree with Acid that you should let him make the final raise on the flop.

[Acid_Knight]

XXEddie, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 2:25 PM, said:

I hope your kidding.

He's OOP to 2 people with one of the hands that has the largest reverse implied odds of any hand in holdem. I think calling here is a losing play preflop. Simo's right that it's probably not by much, but you would have to be a pretty good postflop player to break even here with this hand in this spot.

[mtdesmoines]

Acid_Knight, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 3:59 PM, said:

He's OOP to 2 people with one of the hands that has the largest reverse implied odds of any hand in holdem. I think calling here is a losing play preflop. Simo's right that it's probably not by much, but you would have to be a pretty good postflop player to break even here with this hand in this spot.

This is probably why we're seeing this post, too. Anyway, once we get here, I like the reraise to about $75 or $80 and Hellmuthing the shove from villain.

[NoBBiR]

I think if you're you're a good postflop player, that calling preflop isn't the worst mistake you could ever make. It is sooted after all.

[Craigdog]

I re-poped it to $70 and villian pushed, I called and the board wentturn river Villian showed for a split, thanks for reply's.

[IBFT]

Craigdog, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 6:03 AM, said:

I re-poped it to $70 and villian pushed, I called and the board wentturn river Villian showed for a split, thanks for reply's.

if you were splitting you obv should have called and then bluffed the straight or top 2 when the king hit, you donkey.

[NoBBiR]

IBFT, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 4:33 AM, said:

if you were splitting you obv should have called and then bluffed the straight or top 2 when the king hit, you donkey.

He was backdoor freerolling, get off of him

[Dictius]

Is this a good spot to squeeze preflop?

[NoBBiR]

Dictius, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 3:05 PM, said:

Is this a good spot to squeeze preflop?

No.

[Dictius]

lol ok... why not?

[NoBBiR]

Dictius, on Monday, February 18th, 2008, 4:18 PM, said:

lol ok... why not?

Because this is marginally a decision on whether to call/fold preflop and folding is actually probably better. Raising without much of a read OOP is pretty silly, imo. Seems pretty spewy unless you plan on 3 barrelling him if he calls preflop. Wait no, that's still spewy.