Pokertracker Sez...

[checkymcfold 0]

so in my recent re-foray into SHLHE, i've decided to fire up the ol' pokertracker deal again, a program i hadn't used in a year or so prior to this. i'm going to post some of my stats, and i'd like some of you more well-versed types to tell me wtf i'm supposed to do with this info. like, how do i use it to make myself better? i'm aware that i probably play a bit more LAG preflop and often more passive postflop as an adaptation to the types of games i'm playing, fwiw--i can play lots of hands cuz people suck ass and i generally play more passively than i want to because these retards are betmonkeys if you check to them.other notes:i like to bet/call flop, c/c turn, c/r river a lot with good hands. they're betmonkeys and will keep the lead if i give it to them (and they like to go nuts on flops), but they rarely like to put in 3 bets on any street.i typically play draws very aggressively on the flop, esp if i have an overcard or two.since these tards suck ass and rarely find the fold button, i very very rarely semi-bluff the turn (a lot less than i want to, *sniffle*).my winrate got cut in 1/3 by a horrific run toward the end of this period, one that made me quit LHE for a few days and had me start thinking that i should maybe get some feedback about my "info." i was probably running a-bit-above-average before this run, but not godlike or anything.ok, the "stats" (limited to 5/10 to make things easier on me):hands: around 5k (yes, i know it's low, but what i experienced over a 5k hand period was pretty indicative of a longterm trend, and i can say that with a fair amount of certainty). this is for HU-6handed, i would say on average, probably 3-4 handed.vpip: 39.02vpip for sb: 47.88folded sb to steal: 79.86 (2.50/5 blind structure)folded bb to steal: 39.01att to steal: 42.92 (does this include co and button or just button?)won$wsf (what is this?): 45.71bb/100: 1.34went to sd: 39.36won at sd: 53.54 (i've heard that this should be at 50--it's worth saying that i play a read based style of play and should expect this to be higher than a more conventional style if i'm going to be winning playing that way)pf raise: 26.57flop af: 2.86turn af: 1.96river af: 1.07total af: 2.1folded to river bet: 28.20%when i fold: preflop, 51.79%, flop 9%, turn 4.83%, river 2.22%checkraises: 230, 3.07% total--66% of these on flop, 20% on turn, 13.5% on riverin terms of what hands win/lose, oddities:AKo is a loser, but AKs is a big winner, so not worried about it, probably just variance.QQ, JJ, TT, 77, 55 are all losers, other pairs are all winners, wtf?i'm a winner with virtually all sooted connectors--does this mean that i should play more hands similarly to them? i can't imagine they have a lot of showdown value relative to other handsall Ax hands down to A7 are winners, most below are very slight losers. normal? does this mean i steal bad?same with Kx, but the line for Kx is at K8a lot of trashy unsooted connector hands are winners for me--i only play these in blind defense (except i steal some of them against weak/tights), don't know what this meansanything else that might be useful?i honestly don't know wtf to do with pokertracker info--just trying to make sure that i'm playing well before i get superserious about LHE again, and would like a little bit of reflection from team FCP.<3,checky

[Zach6668 513]

i like to bet/call flop, c/c turn, c/r river a lot with good hands. they're betmonkeys and will keep the lead if i give it to them (and they like to go nuts on flops), but they rarely like to put in 3 bets on any street.

Gonna start here, then reread through the stats, this just sorta jumped out at me.How is this better than c/r'ing the turn?Are they folding to your turn aggression?If we're strong, I want to give them every opportunity to put more money in, even if they rarely do it. If we're waiting until the river, most people are content just seeing showdown rather than trying to get that 3rd bet of value.On the other hand, maybe they're more likely to call the river c/r than the turn c/r because they are so close to showdown?

[checkymcfold 0]

Gonna start here, then reread through the stats, this just sorta jumped out at me.How is this better than c/r'ing the turn?Are they folding to your turn aggression?If we're strong, I want to give them every opportunity to put more money in, even if they rarely do it. If we're waiting until the river, most people are content just seeing showdown rather than trying to get that 3rd bet of value.On the other hand, maybe they're more likely to call the river c/r than the turn c/r because they are so close to showdown?

i thought you'd hate this, zach, lol. the idea behind me taking that line is based on a couple things (obv i raise the turn more often against more conventional opponents, which are few and far between):1. 3bets from my opponents on a big street almost always mean the nuts, or at least a set or better, so doing this hardly ever loses me value (if i have the immortal nuts and put my opponent on a very strong hand, i will obv raise the turn in hopes of maximizing value). i am thus more likely to turn raise/fold tptk type hands on draw-filling boards and typically like to raise the river when my hand is less vulnerable. 2. if i raise the turn and bet the river, these tards will find a way to fold bottom pair or ace high on the end. if i wait till the river to raise, they never ever fold any pair and will rarely fold ace high. seriously. i know that sounds retarded, but it's true.3. along the line of #1, if i can do this to see more showdowns and thus get more info without costing myself value, why not? keep in mind that i never more than 2-table and play a VERY VERY read based style of LHE. i consider myself to be playing poorly if i pay off with a worse hand on the end more than a couple times a session--not joking--so the info may be more valuable to a player like me than a more normal shlhe player.

[Zach6668 513]

Oh, I have no doubt that you've thought it through, and it's probably justified, I just wanted to hear why.

[checkymcfold 0]

Oh, I have no doubt that you've thought it through, and it's probably justified, I just wanted to hear why.

half of this was obv for discussion, since i already know i play perfect

[Zach6668 513]

Are you still on AP? I noticed you said it was 2.5/5 blinds for 5/10?

[checkymcfold 0]

Are you still on AP? I noticed you said it was 2.5/5 blinds for 5/10?

yea, i'll be switching sns shortly (for certain reasons AP has not allowed me to talk about, wink, wink), so this is all the stats i'll have on my old sn. that's why i'm posting with so few hands.

[Zach6668 513]

yea, i'll be switching sns shortly (for certain reasons AP has not allowed me to talk about, wink, wink), so this is all the stats i'll have on my old sn. that's why i'm posting with so few hands.

fwiw, you can combine both SN's in PT by just adding an alias in the preferences tab, if you didn't know it.

[checkymcfold 0]

fwiw, you can combine both SN's in PT by just adding an alias in the preferences tab, if you didn't know it.

w00t. the prefs tab on the player stats page?

[Zach6668 513]

w00t. the prefs tab on the player stats page?

Yeah, in the ring game window.

[mikeysong 0]

the only thing id' suggest really is filter for 5-6 handed. Imo that's where vpip/pfr matter the most. The standard tends to be 30/20 and tbh I find it's very hard to play much laggier than that in 6max. once u get 4handed and below, it becomes all about adapting imo and u can play pretty damn looseunfiltered:filtered:wow, a lot of our stats are pretty similar although our postflop is def. different.The way you describe your play sounds like the way schneids approaches HU. I believe he really likes to balance his flop turn and river plays and his AF on the 3 streets are pretty similar

[checkymcfold 0]

mikey, can you direct me to a post where schneids talks about HU? from what you said about balancing flop/turn/river aggression i think agree in preliminary terms, but i'm curious as to whether he spells it out further. personally, i river raise a LOT playing HU until the villain lets me draw cheap very often.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Here are my PT stats filtered for 4-6 handed for On Game.I'm also pretty loose and do a lot of calling.And here are my stats from Poker Stars also for 4-6 handed.

[checkymcfold 0]

good to know i'm more aggressive than someone, bob .i've been experimenting with more turn raises, esp in position--it's increased variance so far but had no effect on my winrate. hmmm....

[navybuttons 16]

i've been experimenting with more turn raises, esp in position-

are you turn raising for value with lighter holdings? for showdown? as bluffs?

[checkymcfold 0]

are you turn raising for value with lighter holdings? for showdown? as bluffs?

the first two, yeah. bluffing literally never works on AP except against maybe 5-6 regs who there's no point in playing 2-3 handed anyhow. :)i can honestly say i pulled off my first successful semi-bluff in over 8k hands during my last session, against a TAG who was running bad, folding too much, AND i was pretty sure he had 99-JJ on a Q1024 board. that's how rarely they work if you're game selecting goot.