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[wrto4556]

4 handed (5/10 game)BB is a donk. I've been raising his blind for the past hour-hour and a half. He plays pretty bad postflop. I've seen him do the freecard play and 3-bet QTs but that's all the good stuff out of him. Most of the time it's check/call, check/fold...or check/fold. I think i'm getting on his nerves.Preflop: I get delt K J in the SBUTG folds, Button folds, I raise, I call.Flop:(6sb) A 5 J (2 players)I check, BB bets, I call.Turn:(4BB) 7 (2 players)I check, BB bets, I call.River:(6BB) Q (2 players)I bet...I figure it's a way ahead way behind scenario so I pull the CCB. I've also got a bad case of FPS lately.

[DKE_XP120]

If he is that passive, then this looks to me like something pretty big, I could be wrong, but to me it looks like AK, AJ, KK, or something in that realm

[wrto4556]

Who said he was passive?Btw, i'm folding to a raise on the river.

[mrdannyg]

if you really aren't sure if he's ahead, i think this is the perfect way to maximize. your bet both looks suspicious enough that he'll call with any pair, but also two-pair enough that he'll only raise with a real monster. of course, if he has an ace, you should have folded on the flop or turn, but due to your read this isn't possible.it does eliminate several ways for you to get outplayed, i.e. by him overbetting his hand, inducing you to fold the better hand. however, at low limits i have noticed a tendency for frustrated players to make wild stabs at the pot on the river. therefore with the CCB you may be inducing a raise if indeed he's missed a QK, QT or whatever, since he may infer you don't have an ace. in his mind, he may be sure its either a bluff or two pair, and may raise because fish don't realize they can call bluffs and still win i guess.so i rambled but hopefully there is something constructive in there. pretty much its a very nice maximization play on the condition that he will only in fact raise with the monster hand, which is going to be true nearly all of the time for nearly every player.cheers,daniel

[wrto4556]

Anyone besides Kieth cap preflop?

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

Anyone besides Kieth cap preflop?

e before I, lol. Given your read I'd cap his ass. Your bound to have the better hand well over 3/4 of the time. I say fight fire with Fire

[jayboogie]

jJust because he's a bad player doesnt mean he cant have cards that beat you. The only hands he could have that you beat is a lower pocket pair pretty much. In this case, why bet the river? I don't think your going to get called by a hand here that cant beat jacks and your going to get raised by one that does and if he is bluffing, wouldn't you want him to bet and call him down to gain an extra bet? If you think you have the best hand and that he'll bet at it, let him bluff all his chips away. Betting the river is a play that I don't see as profitable. I would only make this play if I suspected my opponent was really weak and that I had the best hand that would get checked down if I didn't bet. Besides you say he's a weak opponent, why bother with any kind of advanced play, it doesn't work against them.

[Absolute]

whats the problemyou played this hand nothing short of brilliant 4 handedcap PF?you are out of your ****ing mind

[KDawgCometh]

Absolute said:

whats the problemyou played this hand nothing short of brilliant 4 handedcap PF?you are out of your censored mind

nope. Its very read dependant here. I'd cap against this opponent HU with Any Ace and down to K10. I'd probably cap any PP down to 77

[wrto4556]

jayboogie said:

jJust because he's a bad player doesnt mean he cant have cards that beat you. The only hands he could have that you beat is a lower pocket pair pretty much. In this case, why bet the river? I don't think your going to get called by a hand here that cant beat jacks and your going to get raised by one that does and if he is bluffing, wouldn't you want him to bet and call him down to gain an extra bet? If you think you have the best hand and that he'll bet at it, let him bluff all his chips away. Betting the river is a play that I don't see as profitable. I would only make this play if I suspected my opponent was really weak and that I had the best hand that would get checked down if I didn't bet. Besides you say he's a weak opponent, why bother with any kind of advanced play, it doesn't work against them.

I'm either way ahead or way behind. Meaning he either has something like Ak and im stomped to 2 outs or he has something like TT and I have him stomped to 2 outs. If I bet anywhere he will fold a hand that I beat(i win minimum) or he will riase with something that beats me and I will call down(I lose maximum). This way I lose the most out of hands that beat me and win the most out of hands that I beat.The rivered Q is why i'm asking if this is standard.EDIT: The reason I bet the river is because he will check behind alot of hands that he will call a bet with.

[princeof56k]

While you know more about your opponent than I do, I dont think the Q on the river would be enough to scare this guy off. I also dont think its enough to prevent him from betting on the river if you just checked.The best situation for you is that he has a low pocket pair or a J with a weaker kicker than you. Even if he had those (which I dont he did), he still might bet on the river here. After all what could you be drawing to that Q improved you? Would the guy be inclined to think that you were drawing to an inside straight all the way to the river? Or would he think that the Q either paired you or gave you 2 pair? If you check on the river, he probably wont think either of those situations occurred and bet anyways. Then you could call him down.I understand what you mean by stating that he will call you with hands you have beat, but I dont think the Q would be enough to prevent this guy from betting anyways.BTW, I'm not a big fan of betting on the river and then folding to a raise. I understand your point. But I'm not a big fan of that strategy.

[DKE_XP120]

Most of the time it's check/call, check/fold...or check/foldwas I wrong in assuming he's passive?meh, maybe im just a pussy, you see how little i blind steal (which i've been working on) But if i've seen someone fold to raises alot, and all of a sudden he starts fireing away, i'm assuming he's mad, or he's got a very strong hand.I didnt even notice it was 4 handed... my bad, I should read more