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[mrdannyg]

i'm sure this situation comes up pretty often for tight low-limit players.you have a nice double-high hand, such as JK or AJ or AQ or whatever, but not something you raise pre-flop (maybe you should raise, but i dont usually so thats not related to my question).it gets raised behind you, and you call. you flop top pair, and there is nothing significantly scary on board (no big straight or flush draws). do you bet into the raiser? check-raise on the flop? bet into him on the turn? check/call? i really never know what to do in this situation. how does this change if there are 3 people in the hand or 5-6?i usually like to bet into the raiser but often feel i'm not maximizing my pot in these situations.lets assume i have no significant read on the player, but that it is likely a late position raise and therefore i do not assume it to be high pockets, although of course that is a serious consideration.thanks,daniel

[cdddc75]

Legitimate question and not a flame:Have you read SSHE?I'm not really familiar with your position, but I would either bet out or check/raise, depending on which helped protect my hand better.

[blackize]

If it is a late position raise he might have very little. I check raise him to see where Im at. If he 3bets I call down and note what he raised with and bet in that manner.

[Rocketwadster]

I think Doyle advocates betting into the raiser, which I agree with. I personally hardly ever check-raise, as there is no guarantee that the original raiser is going to bet, thereby giving him a potentially free card. :wink:

[sickboy]

Rocketwadster said:

I think Doyle advocates betting into the raiser, which I agree with. I personally hardly ever check-raise, as there is no guarantee that the original raiser is going to bet, thereby giving him a potentially free card. :wink:

I agree. I like to take the lead on the flop and throw out a substantial bet. That will at least give you some more information. If the player calls, you can re-evalute on the turn and maybe put him on a draw. Chances are with the bet, you will take down a small pot or get enough information to lay down your hand and not lose a large pot.

[mrdannyg]

haven't read SSHE, i'm going to buy it soon, but i have to order it online and the shipping prices to canada are high. (anyone know of any canadian retailers that might have it, online or otherwise?)and i really don't like how doyle plays so not sure if i want to take advice based on him, but i do like betting into the raiser as i think at the crap low limits i play it is a better gauge of finding out where you're at.

[Rocketwadster]

mrdannyg said:

haven't read SSHE, i'm going to buy it soon, but i have to order it online and the shipping prices to canada are high. (anyone know of any canadian retailers that might have it, online or otherwise?)and i really don't like how doyle plays so not sure if i want to take advice based on him, but i do like betting into the raiser as i think at the crap low limits i play it is a better gauge of finding out where you're at.

I got my copy through Amazon.ca. Free shipping when I bought it with Harrington on Hold-em (which is a fantastic book in its own right!!!)

[justblaze]

if you are playing limit, it depends on about a million different things. If its NL, i wouldnt really call too many raises with KJ or KQ in the first place.

[rog]

It depends. At a passive table I will bet. At an agressive table I will check/raise. If there's a third caller in between I'll check/raise to get the middle guy facing 2 cold. Sometimes if I feel adventurous, and if the board is really benign, I'll slow play the flop with a check/call just to change things up.

[JFarrell20]

C/R the flop. Find out where you're at.

[JFarrell20]

Rocketwadster said:

there is no guarantee that the original raiser is going to bet

Of course he will. He raised p-f There's only 1 opponent in.It's an admittedly "unscary flop".C/R him.

[cdddc75]

JFarrell20 said:

C/R the flop.  Find out where you're at.

And if villain checks behind, where are you?Albuquerque?