Dark Knights Vs The Joker.

[Royal_Tour 0]

1/2 NLhero 350 villain 700I'm trying my best to remember the exact details.Reads: Villain seems like a solid player. He seems fairly loose with PF calls, and Draw calls. and i've seen him make some ok plays. Also, another player at the table kept bringing up a hand he played with villain where villain bluffed him with air and showed it. I wasnt there to witness it.Hero is Me, and have been fairly active from Late positionHero is C/O with KKUTG+1 limp, villain limp in MP2, 2 folds, Hero raise to 13. button fold, blinds fold, UTG+1 call, villain call.flop Qc,10d,6hUTG+1 check, villain check, Hero bet 30, UTG+1 fold, Villain call.turn 10hvillain check, Hero bet 45, villain raise to 90. hero?

[No_Neck 0]

can't fold, push seems silly, I call.

[StilettoNole 0]

This is the first hand that I can recall where you didn't have a low suited connector, lol.Honestly, I have no idea what to do here. If it were me, I think that I would call and reassess on the river.

[LJB723 0]

Call. And call most rivers.

[Willing 2 Die 0]

He probably shows up here with A10 if he is straightforward. But something tells me that he might be turning that second ten into a possible bluff with his KQ or something. I would call turn and fold to a large river bet. Your call on the river is probably going to be very read dependent though.

[Sheiky 0]

I'm feeling incredibly nitty today, i think this is a fold.

[ah2388 0]

call the turn and im probably calling any non A or Q river, and im flipping a coin if its an A river

[dms26 3]

I think villain could easily be looking at your turn bet as being weak, so I'd have to call.You bet 30 into a 40 pot on the flop and now bet 45 into a 100 pot on the turn, thats gonna look weak to a player that is paying attention. If you bet 60-75 and he raised I think I'd lean more towards a fold.

[Willing 2 Die 0]

call the turn and im probably calling any non A or Q river, and im flipping a coin if its an A river

so you're going to be calling the river if Villian bets $125? Thats pretty bad dude. Because you have an overpair and cant fold? And i don't understand your comment about flipping a coin if its an Ace on the river, this is pointless when it comes to helping the Hero decide what our plan is.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think villain could easily be looking at your turn bet as being weak, so I'd have to call.You bet 30 into a 40 pot on the flop and now bet 45 into a 100 pot on the turn, thats gonna look weak to a player that is paying attention. If you bet 60-75 and he raised I think I'd lean more towards a fold.

Yeah, what's with the horrible turn bet size?

[Willing 2 Die 0]

Call. And call most rivers.

I'm sorry but i just saw this one too. What?

[NoBBiR 0]

Call. And call most rivers.

Yeah, what's with the horrible turn bet size?

[Willing 2 Die 0]

Maybe i'm missing something here but how is this such an insta call on the river? Especially since we have no idea how much money we're calling off here?????

[mtdesmoines 2]

villain check, Hero bet 45, villain raise to 90. hero?

Easy call. Evaluate the river.

[SlapStick 0]

Still not sure about folding or raising here, but I really dont like calling here. Calling here will make the pot $180, and you have around $200 left. Its highly unlikely he is going to check the river. So by calling on the turn you will be basically playing for your stack on the river with no new information.My usual motto is "min-raises are for pussies, insta shove" but its a tough spot.Definitely not a call here, imo

[Royal_Tour 0]

how is the turn bet horrible?1/2 the pot. If i bet 2/3 or close to pot, what hands stay in that I beat? AQ, and KJ, He might actually let go of KQ and QJ here vs a larger bet and J,9 is now drawing ultra slim to an 8 only.only thing i am actually afraid of out of his range and playline is 6,6. which i'm beat by regardless. Obv if i'm positive he has AQ i bet more, but does that really follow true on his action thus far? limping in LP then c/c the flop? not really.so why price myself in huge on the turn if i'm still not certain where i'm at?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Bet larger to offer him a worse price to draw or see a showdown with a worse hand than yours. Get value for your hand. Betting bigger isn't always about pricing anyone out, it's about getting value for your hand. He could have 66, JT, Tx, 89, J9, QJ, KJ, A heart draw like Q9hh, KQhh, QJhh or AQ. The turn bet is just too small to be useful most of the time I think. The idea that anyone at 1/2 is gonna fold KQ for a 3/4 PSB on this turn is kind of nuts. People hate folding, so make sure they're paying you top dollar when you have the best hand.

[Royal_Tour 0]

The idea that anyone at 1/2 is gonna fold KQ for a 3/4 PSB on this turn is kind of nuts. People hate folding, so make sure they're paying you top dollar when you have the best hand.

Perhaps an average 1/2 player. This guy was obviously intelligent enough to string together some thought process. He ran a bluff vs another opponent earlier and has aquired a decent stack. Not saying him having chips means he is good. But from what i can tell he isnt a dumbass. To include him into a group of players who dont fold K,Q is a bit off IMO. I've shown strength up until the turn. if i bet close to the pot. being 50BB's, I really have trouble believing he calls here. The only time you can say we bet this much for value is if we're ahead of a hand that will call that large bet.so I think the question becomes, how much value can we extract from hands worse than mine that make sense througout the course of this hand.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The only time you can say we bet this much for value is if we're ahead of a hand that will call that large bet.

The only hands we should be behind are Tx and 66, yet there are a TON of drawing hands as well as decent made hands, like KQ, that are going to pay off at least another decent sized bet on the turn here. I hate the half PSB becuase it looks weak and it doesn't get us a good enough value for our hand here when we are ahead and he has a hand he's gonna pay us with.I think for the vast majority of players, they see the bet as 1 action and determine strength or weakness mostly independant of the bet size in relation to the pot becuase most players aren't keeping close tabs on those things. You should be betting more becuase if he's going to call the turn with AQ or KQ for $50, he's going to do it for $75, so allow him to make a bigger mistake.

[tskillz187 0]

What applies more to this hand with a bigger bet is that it's harder to bluff a bigger turn bet. When you make your bets smaller people can bluff by investing less of their stack. I know you like small balling it up, but I think a bigger turn bet makes this hand play easier. I think you can bet smaller if you have a good read on him, like if you get c/r he has the nuts or near it, then go ahead.Because you don't have a solid read or tell on him, you may now invest $90 and hope he checks the river to you so you can check behind (or bet for value). If he fires river again though then you're definitely going to fold.If you had bet the turn you would bet $70ish and either price him off his draws so that he's making a bad call or you would get a worse hand to fold. Very rarely is villain going to C/R bluff with higher frequency at a bigger bet.I guess I'm really just rehashing dms's point.