Unusual 3/6 Hand

[Chicago99 0]

Not much to say...just haven't seen this much action the whole way with really no folds.PokerStars Game #14893031299: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/01/28 - 17:33:23 (ET)Table 'Paaliaq III' 10-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: DeXof ($84.50 in chips) Seat 2: slimsam57 ($126.50 in chips) Seat 3: Roofer100 ($154 in chips) Seat 4: sexymelva ($54 in chips) Seat 5: tiesthatbind ($136 in chips) Seat 7: ingie28 ($87 in chips) Seat 8: boyet ($63 in chips) Seat 9: Floopy ($187 in chips) Seat 10: Chicago28 ($205.50 in chips) slimsam57: posts small blind $1Roofer100: posts big blind $3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Chicago28 [2d 3c Qc Ad]sexymelva: calls $3henkk234 leaves the tabletiesthatbind: folds ingie28: calls $3boyet: calls $3Floopy: folds Chicago28: calls $3DeXof: raises $3 to $6slimsam57: folds Roofer100: calls $3sexymelva: raises $3 to $9ingie28: calls $6boyet: raises $3 to $12Betting is cappedChicago28: calls $9DeXof: calls $6Roofer100: calls $6sexymelva: calls $3ingie28: calls $3*** FLOP *** [3d 6d Jc]bankerjohn joins the table at seat #6 Roofer100: checks sexymelva: checks ingie28: checks boyet: bets $3Chicago28: raises $3 to $6DeXof: calls $6Roofer100: calls $6sexymelva: calls $6ingie28: calls $6boyet: calls $3*** TURN *** [3d 6d Jc] [8c]Roofer100: checks sexymelva: bets $6ingie28: calls $6boyet: raises $6 to $12Floopy is sitting outChicago28: raises $6 to $18DeXof: calls $18Roofer100: folds sexymelva: raises $6 to $24Betting is cappedingie28: calls $18boyet: calls $12Chicago28: calls $6DeXof: calls $6*** RIVER *** [3d 6d Jc 8c] [8d]sexymelva: bets $6ingie28: folds boyet: calls $6Chicago28: raises $6 to $12DeXof: calls $12sexymelva: calls $6 and is all-inboyet: calls $6*** SHOW DOWN ***Chicago28: shows [2d 3c Qc Ad] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)DeXof: shows [2c As Qs 5c] (HI: a pair of Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)sexymelva: shows [Jh 7c 8s Th] (HI: a full house, Eights full of Jacks)boyet: shows [Ts 2h Jd Ah] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)sexymelva collected $137 from potboyet collected $46 from potChicago28 collected $45.50 from potDeXof collected $45.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $277 | Rake $3 Board [3d 6d Jc 8c 8d]Seat 1: DeXof (button) showed [2c As Qs 5c] and won ($45.50) with HI: a pair of Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,ASeat 2: slimsam57 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: Roofer100 (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 4: sexymelva showed [Jh 7c 8s Th] and won ($137) with HI: a full house, Eights full of JacksSeat 5: tiesthatbind folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: ingie28 folded on the RiverSeat 8: boyet showed [Ts 2h Jd Ah] and won ($46) with HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,ASeat 9: Floopy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: Chicago28 showed [2d 3c Qc Ad] and won ($45.50) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,6,3,2,A

[Shark527 0]

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[Cappy37 0]

You need to be spanked for that river raise, it's a serious leak.For one main reason: board texture.There is one flush out there that did not get there. There is your nut flush that is now facing a paired board. And there are *no* straight draws . It's 99.4% someone else has A2. It's not rare to see a million players see the flop, but you have to credit them with something to hang around this long. You can give someone jacks full and someone else two-pair-becomes-small-boat, but you can't assume you are the only player going low.Preflop caps aren't entirely common, but they usually signify someone with AA and a couple others with some A2's + high potential+c/f protection. The hand played out standard, I agree with your aggression up until the river, since you had a nut flush to go with your nut low. But once the river hits and you are playing a one-way hand that is all too likely to be shared amongst the field, you *have* to slow down. What else are they calling with post flop? You are in serious danger of getting quartered, you need to show down as cheaply as possible. There is almost no chance you are the only one with the low: it's an unimaginative nut low (A2) and there wasn't a whole lot else on the board to keep the field interested in the hand. Someone else has a boat, period.At least in my opinion, our flush isn't good enough for high with all that action, and our low is easily shared, once the board pairs on the river we need to show down cheap and pray we end up even for the hand.Btw- Don't post results, it could sway potential input.

[checkymcfold 0]

i play it the same, since a set would most likely 3ball the flop and if someone hit running eights with a pair, good for them. rough river .

[Cappy37 0]

i play it the same, since a set would most likely 3ball the flop and if someone hit running eights with a pair, good for them. rough river .

Can you automatically assume a set 3-balls that flop, with 2 low cards out and a parade of people passively calling? We know a set *should* 3-ball optimally, but we can't always give villains credit for making the best possible plays, can we? I can see a set leading out, getting popped, and then seeing 3 others flat-call and saying "eff it, I'm gonna see what the turn brings first."

[checkymcfold 0]

Can you automatically assume a set 3-balls that flop, with 2 low cards out and a parade of people passively calling? We know a set *should* 3-ball optimally, but we can't always give villains credit for making the best possible plays, can we? I can see a set leading out, getting popped, and then seeing 3 others flat-call and saying "eff it, I'm gonna see what the turn brings first."

what i mean is that i think we win the high with an ace high flush more than 1/3 of the time that we get 1/6thed on that last bet. here's the math for the cases where we raise the river:if we are one of two lows, we break even (no reason to think that t the fourth guy won't call two cold getting 8 bazillion to one), right?if we are one of three lows, we get 1/6 of 4 bets which is 4 bucks, and basically lose 2 bucks on the end by whoopsie-ing relative to just calling.if we're one of four lows, we need to see a witch doctor. this is negligible.if we get the high and one of three lows, we win 1/2 a bet = 3 bucks x 3 players = 9 for high and -2 bucks for low (same as above) = 7 dollar net gain.if we get the high and one of two lows, we win 9 total.basically, even if we assume the worst and that 3 lows are out there, we need to be right about 1/3 of the time to show a net gain of a dollar over 3 iterations. based on the action, i think that this is DEFINITELY true of this hand since no one 3bet the flop (std set line) and the only pair on board came runner runner (less likely that someone holds it).

[Chicago99 0]

You need to be spanked for that river raise, it's a serious leak.For one main reason: board texture.There is one flush out there that did not get there. There is your nut flush that is now facing a paired board. And there are *no* straight draws . It's 99.4% someone else has A2. It's not rare to see a million players see the flop, but you have to credit them with something to hang around this long. You can give someone jacks full and someone else two-pair-becomes-small-boat, but you can't assume you are the only player going low.Preflop caps aren't entirely common, but they usually signify someone with AA and a couple others with some A2's + high potential+c/f protection. The hand played out standard, I agree with your aggression up until the river, since you had a nut flush to go with your nut low. But once the river hits and you are playing a one-way hand that is all too likely to be shared amongst the field, you *have* to slow down. What else are they calling with post flop? You are in serious danger of getting quartered, you need to show down as cheaply as possible. There is almost no chance you are the only one with the low: it's an unimaginative nut low (A2) and there wasn't a whole lot else on the board to keep the field interested in the hand. Someone else has a boat, period.At least in my opinion, our flush isn't good enough for high with all that action, and our low is easily shared, once the board pairs on the river we need to show down cheap and pray we end up even for the hand.Btw- Don't post results, it could sway potential input.

Hey Cappy/all,Sorry about posting the results. The reason I raised the river is that I was sure that it was melva (no chips to raise with) with the full house and, the way these guys were playing I really thought I would get raised by a lower flush and I could at least win 2/3 of the side pot.

[Frez 0]

You need to be spanked for that river raise, it's a serious leak.

First raise probably OK, a reraise would have been spankworthy though, as is not converting the hand.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

Hey Cappy/all,Sorry about posting the results. The reason I raised the river is that I was sure that it was melva (no chips to raise with) with the full house and, the way these guys were playing I really thought I would get raised by a lower flush and I could at least win 2/3 of the side pot.

+1 ........... I like your thought process here. I make that play in NLO8 when the situation presents itself