$1/2 Live Game

[AndyZ28 0]

LP1 is a solid player, no real reads. SB is loose passive, almost donkish at times. I'm sure it's -EV to bet a flush draw against multiple opponents, but it's a good way to conceal it when it does hit. I bet pretty light to get away from it if I was raised hard. If anything, LP1 thought I was repping A8 here(he really did).What do you bet on the river after missing the flush but hitting the wheel?9 handed 1/2 dollar NL.I'm dealt 10c5c in MP3, folds to me. I limp in. LP1 limps, SB completes, BB checks.Flop Ac 8c 2s ($8)SB checks, BB checks, I bet $8(perhaps too strong here?) LP1 and SB call. BB folds.Turn 3s($32)SB checks, I bet $15, LP1 calls, SB calls.River 4h($77)SB checks, Me???

[craiger 0]

Since neither villain showed much strength throughout the hand, I would bet to make sure it doesn't get check through. I probably make it about $45 with the second nuts...your hand is super-duper disguised too, so I'm sure you would get called pretty light, maybe even raised.

[Metternich 0]

1) Fold preflop.2). I bet whatever your normal "I am defending against overs" bet is, if that's pot than that's fine.3). Turn bet's fine but maybe a little more4) $40-$50 and snap call a shove

[AndyZ28 0]

1) Fold preflop.2). I bet whatever your normal "I am defending against overs" bet is, if that's pot than that's fine.3). Turn bet's fine but maybe a little more4) $40-$50 and snap call a shove

Was waiting for the fold preflop line. This cash game is almost like playing Omaha. See the flop for cheap whenever possible. I know 10-5 suited sucks. I played it anyway. If it was a tournament, it would have been mucked without thinking. I loosen up a lot playing cash games.As the hand was played, I bet $50 on the river and LP1 took forever and folded, SB folded right after.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Was waiting for the fold preflop line. This cash game is almost like playing Omaha. See the flop for cheap whenever possible. I know 10-5 suited sucks. I played it anyway. If it was a tournament, it would have been mucked without thinking. I loosen up a lot playing cash games.

I don't play Omaha like that as a rule.You can play these garbage hands when the stacks are very deep (and deception is very valuable) or the villains are especially bad. Otherwise, it's just spew.

[AndyZ28 0]

I don't play Omaha like that as a rule.You can play these garbage hands when the stacks are very deep (and deception is very valuable) or the villains are especially bad. Otherwise, it's just spew.

Felt like playing the hand, so I did. Normally don't, oh well. My PF action was not the question in my OP.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Felt like playing the hand, so I did. Normally don't, oh well. My PF action was not the question in my OP.

OK, then my advice is bet whatever you feel like on the river.My guess would've been that he was drawing, so I would've checked the river to induce a bluff. If he considered a call, then that's wrong and I guess he had an ace.

[AndyZ28 0]

OK, then my advice is bet whatever you feel like on the river.My guess would've been that he was drawing, so I would've checked the river to induce a bluff. If he considered a call, then that's wrong and I guess he had an ace.

Sorry man, I didn't mean for my post to look like I snapped on ya. I just hate hearing "Fold PF" when it's not the focus of my post. Villain had Aces up here. My river bet drove him insane for well over a minute.

[craiger 0]

The villain folded aces up here? Holy super tight ass batman. How the hell could he put you on a 5??

[Acid_Knight 2]

Sorry man, I didn't mean for my post to look like I snapped on ya. I just hate hearing "Fold PF" when it's not the focus of my post. Villain had Aces up here. My river bet drove him insane for well over a minute.

You can't really post hands here without taking advice on all streets. Basically you're saying "I know that I make a mistake playing this hand preflop, but I choose to do it anyway and I find myself in a marginal series of situations because I chose to play a weak hand that does not flop well, so what do I do?"If you're there to gamble, then poker strat probably isn't the most important thing. If you're there to play any form of winning poker, then limping in with crap like K8o and T5s should NOT be in your repetoire. You're just going to lose money with hands like this.

[sactownjoey 0]

Just out of curiosity, what was your plan if you missed the river?

[NoBBiR 0]

Felt like playing the hand, so I did. Normally don't, oh well. My PF action was not the question in my OP.

You can't really post hands here without taking advice on all streets. Basically you're saying "I know that I make a mistake playing this hand preflop, but I choose to do it anyway and I find myself in a marginal series of situations because I chose to play a weak hand that does not flop well, so what do I do?"If you're there to gamble, then poker strat probably isn't the most important thing. If you're there to play any form of winning poker, then limping in with crap like K8o and T5s should NOT be in your repetoire. You're just going to lose money with hands like this.

As if playing 105s isn't a winning play or something. Didn't you read the post? He made a flush omg!!!11one1

[Acid_Knight 2]

As if playing 105s isn't a winning play or something. Didn't you read the post? He made a flush omg!!!11one1

He actually missed the flush and made a wheel. Backdooring one card wheels is awesome.

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

As if playing 105s isn't a winning play or something. Didn't you read the post? He made a flush omg!!!11one1

Well every possible straight combo needs either a T or a 5.... Seriously though. I don't mind limping with the T 5 with deep stacks, low blinds and bad players. See a flop cheap, hit big, win big. Or miss the flop and fold cheap.Also, when you hit and have to show the table that you play T5, they think you suck and might be willing to pay you off light in the future.

[AndyZ28 0]

Well every possible straight combo needs either a T or a 5.... Seriously though. I don't mind limping with the T 5 with deep stacks, low blinds and bad players. See a flop cheap, hit big, win big. Or miss the flop and fold cheap.Also, when you hit and have to show the table that you play T5, they think you suck and might be willing to pay you off light in the future.

Thank you. That's exactly what I do at this cash game. I've raked in a ton of money at this game doing this. I know that by the book 10-5 suited and K-8 os is horrible. But you can do exactly what this guy says you can do.And to the guy who asked if I had missed the river what I would do, I would be hard pressed to bluff it or just check it. I don't remember what vibe I had now.

[fdsafdsa 0]

Thank you. That's exactly what I do at this cash game. I've raked in a ton of money at this game doing this. I know that by the book 10-5 suited and K-8 os is horrible. But you can do exactly what this guy says you can do.And to the guy who asked if I had missed the river what I would do, I would be hard pressed to bluff it or just check it. I don't remember what vibe I had now.

Just out of curiosity, how do you expect peolple to know your'e playing deeped stacked if you don't give stack sizes?

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

Thank you. That's exactly what I do at this cash game. I've raked in a ton of money at this game doing this. I know that by the book 10-5 suited and K-8 os is horrible. But you can do exactly what this guy says you can do.And to the guy who asked if I had missed the river what I would do, I would be hard pressed to bluff it or just check it. I don't remember what vibe I had now.

Of course I was assuming everyone was deep stacked.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Well every possible straight combo needs either a T or a 5.... Seriously though. I don't mind limping with the T 5 with deep stacks, low blinds and bad players. See a flop cheap, hit big, win big. Or miss the flop and fold cheap.Also, when you hit and have to show the table that you play T5, they think you suck and might be willing to pay you off light in the future.

Limping crap like this is a bad play. Period.If you're deep stacked against bad players and you're a very good player, you can play whatever you want, but you come in RAISING. I get the feeling that you're playing these hands to try and hit a massive cooler against one of the bad calling stations or just "flop big" as you put it, but these hands DO NOT flop big. How many flops is K8o gonna flop big on aside from K8x or KKx or 88x? Almost none. You are not going to show a profit playing these hands on a regular basis.It really bugs me when people say "oh, were deepstacked, so I figured i had the implied odds to call" when they really have no idea wtf it means. They think that just becuase they have a lot of money and a bad player has a lot of money, that it's going to be profitable for them to get involved with T5s, when it's not.

[tskillz187 0]

How many flops is K8o gonna flop big on aside from K8x or KKx or 88x?

Like K88, KKK, 888, KK8. I don't know why you're using all these X's we can flop yet another good card!

[NoBBiR 0]

Or a straight, whatever the **** he made.

[mtdesmoines 2]

LP1 is a solid player, no real reads. SB is loose passive, almost donkish at times. I'm sure it's -EV to bet a flush draw against multiple opponents, but it's a good way to conceal it when it does hit. I bet pretty light to get away from it if I was raised hard. If anything, LP1 thought I was repping A8 here(he really did).What do you bet on the river after missing the flush but hitting the wheel? SB checks, Me???

No. No. Don't. Shove.