Shark527 0 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($1.90)UTG ($10.40)MP ($3.52)Button ($1.89)Hero ($5.09)Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, T, 4, Q. UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: ($0.20) 8, 5, 7(4 players)Hero bets $0.2, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.8,Bottom end of the straight with Q high flush draw, good enough to play for stack? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Yeah, I get it in here. Link to post Share on other sites
craiger 0 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Oh yeah, shovel Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Maybe I'm completely out to lunch, but this looks like a really bad spot for Hero. He has the bottom end of the straight, with no chance of improving there, and a draw to the 3rd nut flush. He could already be behind and drawing dead. With UTG showing aggression with the big flop raise, I'm playing this one cautiously. This looks like the exact kind of trouble hand that people who write about Omaha strategy warn us about, no? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Maybe I'm completely out to lunch, but this looks like a really bad spot for Hero. He has the bottom end of the straight, with no chance of improving there, and a draw to the 3rd nut flush. He could already be behind and drawing dead. With UTG showing aggression with the big flop raise, I'm playing this one cautiously. This looks like the exact kind of trouble hand that people who write about Omaha strategy warn us about, no?Against 96, we have a gutshot and a flushdraw.Against pretty much any hand we either have the best hand with blockers or we have a good number of outs. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Perhaps, but the outs may not be worth much. A GSD isn't worth a whole lot to begin with, and a non-nut flush can be very dangerous in this game. If Hero had the Ad I can understand, but this seems like a very questionable spot for him to be playing for his stack. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 Villian did end up having the 96 straight with no diamonds in hand, so with 9 for tie and diamond draw does hero's decision to shovel change here? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Then you're basically drawing at 9 outs to win plus 3 more to tie. That's marginally better than a naked flush draw. I'm not pushing my stack in the middle with that. But the question is irrelevant since you don't know your flush outs are good when you have to make the decision. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Then you're basically drawing at 9 outs to win plus 3 more to tie. That's marginally better than a naked flush draw. I'm not pushing my stack in the middle with that. But the question is irrelevant since you don't know your flush outs are good when you have to make the decision.No, if a 9 comes we win.We have T6.We have 12 outs if his 9 isn't a diamond and 11 if it is.Without the T I'm probably not shoving here. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Right, sorry, I was going by the "9 for a tie" statement in his post. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 Right, sorry, I was going by the "9 for a tie" statement in his post."9 for tie" was a brain fart now that I look again. Link to post Share on other sites
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