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[Avaron]

At a pretty tight table. I played very aggressive the whole session and it was working for me. then this happened:

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($9.55)
BB ($11.55)
UTG ($23.45)
Button ($5.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J.
2 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.60) A, A, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.3, BB calls $0.30.

Turn: ($1.20) J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, BB calls $0.60.

River: ($2.40) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.1, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $2.90.

Final Pot: $12.40

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I want to hear your opinions about this hand.
And please no stuff like "you donk, you had to fold, obviously he had it" etc. I know that already.

[Acid_Knight]

Don't bet the turn.
Don't bet the river.

[No_Neck]

heres the deal with this hand... if you bet what is calling with that you can beat... nothing, so don't bet. You aren't going to get a worse hand to call or a better hand to fold, so just check and fold IMHO.

Also this is a super small pot so just give it up, check fold turn is great but if you must you can peel to a small bet. You have to check the river though.

[Zach6668]

Please do not include results in your posts.

[mtdesmoines]

At a pretty tight table.

Please C/F this board.

[StilettoNole]

[quote name='Avaron' date='Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008, 11:52 AM' post='2388611']
At a pretty tight table. I played very aggressive the whole session and it was working for me. then this happened:

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB
Hero ($9.55)



I'd like to know how this is "working" for you? You have less than the max buy in. Oh wait... let me guess, you short stacked it and doubled up by pushing all in pre flop with A-6 off suit (which you claim is you playing aggressively) and got called by A-A which went down when you flopped trip 6's. Sorry for being a prick, but I just hate short stackers.


Regarding this hand:

1. Fold pre flop.
2. If you didn't follow step one, then fold on the turn or river.

Thank you.

[NoBBiR]

You donk, you have to fold, obviously he had it!

Honestly. You called a raise OOP preflop with an easily dominated hand, lead into the PFR on a bad board, lead into him again on the turn, and bet/called a river raise when you don't beat anything.

You called the river hoping to chop at best, I guess. Don't donk bet into the PFR when he is literally not folding any hand in his range since you said it was a tight table.

[Sheiky]

I'd like to know how this is "working" for you? You have less than the max buy in. Oh wait... let me guess, you short stacked it and doubled up by pushing all in pre flop with A-6 off suit (which you claim is you playing aggressively) and got called by A-A which went down when you flopped trip 6's. Sorry for being a prick, but I just hate short stackers.
Regarding this hand:

1. Fold pre flop.
2. If you didn't follow step one, then fold on the turn or river.

Thank you.

Dude, he's not shortstacking AT ALL.

How is 95BBs shortstacking??? That's a ridiculous accusation

[NoBBiR]

Dude, he's not shortstacking AT ALL.

How is 95BBs shortstacking??? That's a ridiculous accusation

If you're not playing 500 deep, you're not really playing

[Avaron]

w this is "working" for you? You have less than the max buy in. Oh wait... let me guess, you short stacked it and doubled up by pushing all in pre flop with A-6 off suit (which you claim is you playing aggressively) and got called by A-A which went down when you flopped trip 6's. Sorry for being a prick, but I just hate short stackers.
Regarding this hand:

1. Fold pre flop.
2. If you didn't follow step one, then fold on the turn or river.

Thank you.

what i EXACTLY mean, is that i was raising a lot, bluffing a lot, preflop as well as after the flop. i was trying to set up the table against me, and i had the feeling that in this hand my opponent was just making a move to not let me steal his blind anymore. so from this point, my play was working, because i had a hand i could win a lot of money from him with the right flop. and the right flop came, in my opinion.

and shortstacking? i started the game with an average amount. not the full, but also not with a short stack.

[dms26]

Dude, he's not shortstacking AT ALL.

How is 95BBs shortstacking??? That's a ridiculous accusation

OP said his aggressive play had been working well for him this session, yet he only has 95BB, how can this be? By buying in short, or he is multi-tabling and up at other tables.

[dms26]

so from this point, my play was working, because i had a hand i could win a lot of money from him with the right flop. and the right flop came, in my opinion.

for this to be the right flop to win a lot you have to put him on a complete bluff, and I don't really see where you can do that at any point in the hand. Villain raises pre, flats you on the flop and turn and makes a small raise on the river. That's pretty much a big hand every time.

[Avaron]

for this to be the right flop to win a lot you have to put him on a complete bluff, and I don't really see where you can do that at any point in the hand. Villain raises pre, flats you on the flop and turn and makes a small raise on the river. That's pretty much a big hand every time.

i put him on a bluff preflop. yeah, right. i should have slowed down and made up my mind after his bet on the flop. that was the mistake...

[StilettoNole]

OP said his aggressive play had been working well for him this session, yet he only has 95BB, how can this be? By buying in short, or he is multi-tabling and up at other tables.

This is exactly what I mean. 95BB is not short, but for his play to be "working" he should be up; and therefore over the maximum buy in...

[Acid_Knight]

i put him on a bluff preflop. yeah, right. i should have slowed down and made up my mind after his bet on the flop. that was the mistake...

Once someone starts calling bets, the odds that they're bluffing drop dramatically.

[mtdesmoines]

Once someone starts calling bets, the odds that they're bluffing drop dramatically.

I'm gonna keep that.

[Zach6668]

This hand illustrates the awesomeness of the Zeebo theorum.

[Temporary Nuts]

This hand illustrates the awesomeness of the Zeebo theorum.

[Acid_Knight]

I'm gonna keep that.

Brag:
mtdesmoines
cwik
krup24
NoBBir

Beat:
This has no bearing on my poker skills.

Variance:
Maybe it will someday?

[TeeSludge]

Once someone starts calling bets, the odds that they're bluffing drop dramatically.

Dude, if the bluff by calling play is not in your repertoire you need to update your game.