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[No_Neck]

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $142.95
UTG+1: $98.50
CO: $99
Button: $613.55
Hero: $100.50
BB: $148.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q T
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3 2 5 ($13, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $8, Hero raises to $28, CO folds, Button raises all-in $609.55, Hero calls all-in $68.5.



villian is a 60/25/2 standard?

[craiger]

With the button's stats, I would bankroll myself deeper to get more of his cheddar.

As played, I probably call with only 100BB at risk.

[Zach6668]

With the button's stats, I would bankroll myself deeper to get more of his cheddar.

??? We're at the max buyin.

[tskillz187]

Yeah standard, with tighter stats I probably fold pf and sometimes reraise.

[Sheiky]

I really like the whole hand.

[cwik]

IMO, from the small blind: Fold > Raise > Call.

As played, you priced yourself in so you pretty much have to make this call, your likely a 2-1 dog getting 2-1.

[krup24]

IMO, from the small blind: Fold > Raise > Call.

As played, you priced yourself in so you pretty much have to make this call, your likely a 2-1 dog getting 2-1.

no way. not with an extremely donkish button sitting on 600BBs. implied odds are infinite. Call is the best option in this particular situation and fold/raise are equally worse.

[Temporary Nuts]

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I loves it

[Acid_Knight]

no way. not with an extremely donkish button sitting on 600BBs. implied odds are infinite. Call is the best option in this particular situation and fold/raise are equally worse.

Our implied odds are no better than they would be if he had $100.50 here, since that's what the effective stacks are.

Cwik is right, although against much weaker players who play too many hands, calling becomes a more viable option.

I'm not in love with the raise here because an overaggro loose donk is gonna shove a pretty wide range here that features any Ax hands as well as pairs where you might have 0, 1 or 2 overs. You do a good job of pricing yourself into the hand though, so you obv gotta call his shove. I just think that with the draw on a board where you're unlikely to fold out Ax hands too often, I might just call and see the turn sometimes.

[mtdesmoines]

I just call the flop.
You will not make $ long term inducing the shove here, IMHO.

[krup24]

Our implied odds are no better than they would be if he had $100.50 here, since that's what the effective stacks are.

Cwik is right, although against much weaker players who play too many hands, calling becomes a more viable option.

I'm not in love with the raise here because an overaggro loose donk is gonna shove a pretty wide range here that features any Ax hands as well as pairs where you might have 0, 1 or 2 overs. You do a good job of pricing yourself into the hand though, so you obv gotta call his shove. I just think that with the draw on a board where you're unlikely to fold out Ax hands too often, I might just call and see the turn sometimes.

k infinite was extreme i know what you mean but the implied odds are as big as our stack. folding this hand ever in the SB against a 60/25 lagtard is absolutely 100% assanine imho.

[David_Nicoson]

It's not clear to me that being deeper would be good for us with this line. Implied odds doesn't seem to be a useful concept when we're semi-bluffing for stacks.

[mtdesmoines]

It's not clear to me that being deeper would be good for us with this line. Implied odds doesn't seem to be a useful concept when we're semi-bluffing for stacks.

Agreed. This almost seems like a better short stacker strategy.

[krup24]

It's not clear to me that being deeper would be good for us with this line. Implied odds doesn't seem to be a useful concept when we're semi-bluffing for stacks.

i'm talkn strictly preflop

i'm not a fan of the flop

[Acid_Knight]

It's not clear to me that being deeper would be good for us with this line. Implied odds doesn't seem to be a useful concept when we're semi-bluffing for stacks.

Yeah, I tend to agree, but for different reasons.

If we think the villain is getting significantly out of line, then we are gonna be getting it in lighter after flopping pairs and stuff and I'd be happier to get it in for 100BBs with top pair against a donk than I would to face a decision for 200BBs with that top pair.

[mtdesmoines]

Yeah, I tend to agree, but for different reasons.

If we think the villain is getting significantly out of line, then we are gonna be getting it in lighter after flopping pairs and stuff and I'd be happier to get it in for 100BBs with top pair against a donk than I would to face a decision for 200BBs with that top pair.

How out of line is he when he's got 6 BI's accumulated, tho? He may just be running like God.

[David_Nicoson]

i'm talkn strictly preflop

i'm not a fan of the flop

Extrapolating from his preflop image, we can guess that top pair might be a hand with a lot of implied odds after the flop. I think you and Acid are both saying that.

We're taking slightly the worst of it preflop, even against a 25% range.

CODE

equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     57.102%      55.00%     02.11%          275920962      10563130.00   { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1:     42.898%      40.79%     02.11%          204657850      10563130.00   { QdTd }

[krup24]

Extrapolating from his preflop image, we can guess that top pair might be a hand with a lot of implied odds after the flop. I think you and Acid are both saying that.

We're taking slightly the worst of it preflop, even against a 25% range.

CODE

equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     57.102%      55.00%     02.11%          275920962      10563130.00   { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1:     42.898%      40.79%     02.11%          204657850      10563130.00   { QdTd }

very interesting, what happens post flop with a similar range

[Acid_Knight]

very interesting, what happens post flop with a similar range

You need to assign a range of hands that he'd play like this post flop.

I would say any diamond draw, A2-A6, AT-AK and any pair. Even a couple of random hands that have a pair and a gutshot or pair and OESD, like 56 or 34 or something.

[David_Nicoson]

very interesting, what happens post flop with a similar range

With exactly that range, which might be a reasonable assumption after he makes the initial continuation bet, it's basically a coin flip.

CODE

Board: 3d 2d 5c
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     47.492%      45.70%     01.80%             131196          5154.50   { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1:     52.508%      50.71%     01.80%             145595          5154.50   { QdTd }