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Dealing With Top Pair Against A Strange Opponent

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Ok, here are some examples of villain's play (you have to see these to try and work out what to do in my situation):(Villain is 'Hero' in these hands btw. I don't normally open limp J3o.)=============================================================******* Hand 1 ********Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $174.35CO: $60.65Button: $87.30SB: $51.80BB: $50Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J :icon_dance: 3 :club: Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: 9 :heart: J :heart: T :club: ($1.5, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: 7 :club: ($1.5, 3 players)SB checks, BB bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $3), SB raises to $7, BB folds, Hero calls $5.5 (pot was $11.5).River: 3 :club: ($17, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls.Results:Final pot: $37Hero showed Jh 3dSB showed 6s 8c******* Hand 2 ********Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $71.70UTG+1: $140.35CO: $7.20Hero: $50SB: $50BB: $37.70Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J :club: T :club:3 folds, Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), SB calls, BB raises to $2, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $12.5, Hero calls $7.5 (pot was $14).Flop: 3 :club: 8 :icon_dance: 8 :D ($25.5, 2 players)BB is all-in $26.7, Hero calls $26.7 (pot was $52.2).Turn: 2 :club: ($78.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $78.9)River: 7 :club: ($78.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $78.9)Results:Final pot: $78.9Hero showed Jc TcBB showed Qs As******* Hand 3 ********Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $92UTG+1: $114.65CO: $49.75Hero: $75.80SB: $51.55BB: $66.60Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8 :D K :icon_dance:3 folds, Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), SB calls, BB checks.Flop: A :icon_dance: Q :club: 5 :club: ($1.5, 3 players)SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero calls $1 (pot was $2.5).Turn: J :D ($3.5, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB calls.River: 9 :club: ($8.5, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $8.5, SB calls.Results:Final pot: $25.5Hero showed 8d KsSB showed Ts Ad******* Hand 4 ********Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $33.85CO: $70.20Button: $101.80UTG+1: $114.65Hero: $31.40BB: $9.25Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A :icon_dance: K :icon_dance: UTG folds, CO raises to $1.75, Button folds, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $2.5), BB folds.Flop: T :D 5 :) A :heart: ($4, 2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero raises to $5.5, CO calls.Turn: Q :icon_dance: ($15, 2 players)Hero bets $11.5, CO calls.River: 8 :club: ($38, 2 players)Hero bets $11, CO calls.Results:Final pot: $60Hero showed As KsCO mucks Qd 9d=============================================================He is playing 79/2.5, and AF for flop/turn/river are 2.13/3.17/17.00 over 160 hands.He has no concept of hand strength apparently. He loves to minbet and minraise, and he folds to a c/bet just 20% of the time.Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $98.05Hero: $96.65Button: $50SB: $85.15BB: $59.60Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with Q :heart: A :) UTG folds, Hero raises to $2, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 9 :) Q :icon_dance: 7 :heart: ($4.5, 2 players)SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $5.5, SB raises to $10.5We are both quite deep here. Do I shove here? Do I call down? Do I reraise to ~$30 (if so, do I call a shove)? The minbet/minreraise seems strong, but who knows what he thinks is strong. He could be bluffing as well. I have no idea what range he has here.

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Ugh.Two competing factors here, imo.1) He shows down ultra light, so v-bet him to death.2) This line looks strong, but he's ultra retarded so we want to get to showdown with TPTK cheaply.Where do we draw the line? Which factor dominates?

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Ugh.Two competing factors here, imo.1) He shows down ultra light, so v-bet him to death.2) This line looks strong, but he's ultra retarded so we want to get to showdown with TPTK cheaply.Where do we draw the line? Which factor dominates?
#2 for meif we sit with this villian for enough time we will easily find a ton of spots to v-bet him and we have position here. villian could hold absolutely any two cards and one thing that i constantly remind myself is the donk/nits/stations do catch big hands too.
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Ok, suppose I call. Pot is $25.30, turn card is 4 :club:Effective stacks are $72.65.Villain probably bets ~$25.
seems like we will could easily be playing for stacks on the river. i can get away. i don't see anything above where he is grossly overbetting a weak hand except for the TJ hand.
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What makes you think villain pots it?
Ok, say he bets $18.If I flat call there, the pot is $61 and he has $54 left on the river.Really, whatever he bets on the turn, he has about pot or less left on the river. I don't want to call the flop and turn and then fold to a river bet. Against this kind of opponent that seems like pure spew because he just doesn't stop betting.I don't think he's ever checking the turn after minbetting and minreraising the flop. See his J3 hand. He is totally clueless as to hand strength and other players ranges.
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while I understand that villain is an aggrotard who is going to show up with all kinds of garbage here, we really dont want to build a HUGE pot with top pair top kicker.I think your flop raise shouldve been smaller, perhaps to 2.5 or 3 instead of 5.5(i know that was pot).from there, the line I take is to call the turn and then value raise the river.

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we really dont want to build a HUGE pot with top pair top kicker.call the turn and then value raise the river.
You want to play a small pot, but you value raise the river?You're playing for stacks on the river with one pair, but not on the flop?
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You want to play a small pot, but you value raise the river?You're playing for stacks on the river with one pair, but not on the flop?
Honestly dude, between that J3o hand and the JTs hand, I'm just never gonna fold this to him. With TPTK and the BDNFD, I really don't feel bad about getting it in with someone who thinks QT is the nuts on this board. I guess that means I'd be RRing the flop for value.
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Honestly dude, between that J3o hand and the JTs hand, I'm just never gonna fold this to him. With TPTK and the BDNFD, I really don't feel bad about getting it in with someone who thinks QT is the nuts on this board. I guess that means I'd be RRing the flop for value.
Hard to argue against this ...
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SB is the same villain as here. Thought I may as well post this here as well.Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $58.45UTG+1: $92Hero: $61.70Button: $49.25SB: $174.40BB: $1Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J :D Q :D2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls all-in $0.5.Flop: Q :club: 5 :) 6 :D ($4.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $3, Sidepot 1: $1.5)SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $6, SB calls.Turn: 5 :D ($16.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $3, Sidepot 1: $13.5)SB bets $8, Hero sighs, and then...(If I call, he's betting 100% of rivers with 100% of his range).

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lol, I'm sorry you lost the first hand.
Oh ya. Should have changed the stacks lol.I'd been waiting about an hour to get a hand against him and I wasn't about to fold TPTK after having him run over me constantly. I instashoved, and he timed down and called with 97o. He would never have folded top pair to the shove, or JT, or 86, or T8, etc.To be fair, he owned me completely. For over an hour, I just couldn't make a pair, and then the first time I hit a hand he has me beat. Such is life.(EDIT: When I shoved, I totally missed that we were both that deep. I thought he had a normal stack. When I saw how much of an overbet it was I kinda thought "yeah, that was dumb".)
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(EDIT: When I shoved, I totally missed that we were both that deep. I thought he had a normal stack. When I saw how much of an overbet it was I kinda thought "yeah, that was dumb".)
don't do that. almost the driving force how to play this hand.
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