Call Two All-ins On Flop With A-high?

[higher_flyer 0]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)MP2 ($19.42)Hero ($100)CO ($60.11)Button ($38.70)SB ($133.71)BB ($153.78)UTG ($226.90)UTG+1 ($38.75)MP1 ($131.08)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , J . 3 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3.Flop: ($13.50) 2 , 3 , 4 (3 players)MP2 bets $5, Hero raises to $12, Button raises to $38.70 (All-In), MP2 calls $19.42 (All-In). Hero? To give you some background the Button's VP$IP is 55.6 and PFR is 24. MP2 had just sat down but bought in low and played one hand weakly. My image is tight-aggressive but I presume the Button wouldn't really understand/consider table image. How do you like my play so far and do we call this? Facing two pairs between 55-TT we've got the odds, even facing JJ-KK I think we still have the odds. We have the odds against flush draws and, knowing the Button, may well be facing his AT or something. But is this still a call or gambooling without the odds?

[gobears 0]

I fold the flop as you still have a player to act behind you and you flopped squat. By raising the flop donk bet, you put yourself in a tougher situation but I would still fold after the action behind your raise.

[mikeysong 0]

i hate your playonce he donks out into 2 others, I fold. Besides the fact that you have someone behind you, he's repping strength by donking into 2 others and will most likely stack off. Aj sucks here. Even if he has A8cc x, yes if you dodge outs you win however A) he's got plenty of outs, B) You're chopping w/a 5. There are just so many combinations of hands that either have u crushed, slightly behind, or u're splitting with. Not fun.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Yeah, consider that when you get donked into, that he's donking into like 2 people OOP. YOU have to worry about the guy behind you as well. Since you flopped nothing, just fold.

[higher_flyer 0]

The raise on the flop was to narrow the field to what I thought would be one opponent, or none. $12 into $18.50 only has to work 40% of the time and when it doesn't I'm still in good shape against most hands. Either it would be the short stack, in which case presumably I'm racing against an overpair, or the bigger stack, who judging by his stats I might be either racing with, slightly behind or slightly ahead (or possibly crushed), but getting good odds. When two players came in I figured to be against overpairs 55-TT (otherwise they would have raised pre-), flush draws, weaker aces, A2-A4, sets or 65. In all but the last two scenarios, which are the rarest, I'm either ahead, could hit a J or a 5, or could hit a J,5 or A - getting 3.5-1. I think I might have been too LAG here, but not by much.

[Acid_Knight 2]

There's a flush draw out there that you don't have (not even backdoor)There are 2 opponents to worry aboutNobody will ever fold for your basically minraise on the flop after leading into that board since they always have a pair/draw, overpair or at the bare min, a good draw, a lot of which they're just gonna b/3b shove on you anyway.There's really no value in your play here. Even HU, your equity in this spot is probably pretty crappy and you should be folding here almsot all of the time.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Board: 2c 3c 4dDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	42.598%	  38.48% 	04.12% 		   3232410 	   345723.33   { TT-22, ATs+, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 65s, 54s, ATo+ }Hand 1: 	14.803%	  09.55% 	05.25% 			802404 	   441035.33   { AsJd }Hand 2: 	42.598%	  38.48% 	04.12% 		   3232410 	   345723.33   { TT-22, ATs+, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 65s, 54s, ATo+ }

You need to win about a quarter of the time to break even. Fold.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)MP2 ($19.42)Hero ($100)CO ($60.11)Button ($38.70)SB ($133.71)BB ($153.78)UTG ($226.90)UTG+1 ($38.75)MP1 ($131.08)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , J . 3 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3.Flop: ($13.50) 2 , 3 , 4 (3 players)MP2 bets $5, Hero raises to $12, Button raises to $38.70 (All-In), MP2 calls $19.42 (All-In). Hero? To give you some background the Button's VP$IP is 55.6 and PFR is 24. MP2 had just sat down but bought in low and played one hand weakly. My image is tight-aggressive but I presume the Button wouldn't really understand/consider table image. How do you like my play so far and do we call this? Facing two pairs between 55-TT we've got the odds, even facing JJ-KK I think we still have the odds. We have the odds against flush draws and, knowing the Button, may well be facing his AT or something. But is this still a call or gambooling without the odds?

You already lit $16 dollars on fire with this action from AJ. Why not light another $22 I guess.

[higher_flyer 0]

I think I need to win about 23% of the time to break even and if I read your pokerstove correctly I'm getting about 15% already, plus 9.5% tie is it? But at this level on Partypoker you should add into the ranges of both A6o-ATo, not just ATo+. Also add in K5s-Q5s, K4s-Q4s for the 55 VP$IP button (its possible). I can see this working out at me needing 23% and getting around 17-18%. As I thought, loose but not too bad. In hindsight I can see that calling is a mistake (and raising lol).Also the 'donk bet' of the short stack shouldn't as respected as you think. This could be 5x, 4x, Ax, as well as all the more obvious hands like a flush draw, overpairs below JJ etc.

[Syntonic 0]

You already lit $16 dollars on fire with this action from AJ. Why not light another $22 I guess.

Let's just wipe our asses with money while we're at it. Why even consider this as a call? You could be drawing dead or in horrible shape, even if you do hit an over card.

[krup24 0]

you should probably consider slowing down with AJo preflop or your gonna be in for a lot of trouble. i don't raise preflop and even if i did there is no way in hell i raise the lead in front of me on the flop and put myself in this ridiculous situation with AJo.now i'm not saying you have to fold this preflop. i raise a variety of hands in limped pots but for the love of god don't raise the flop.

[higher_flyer 0]

Lool, not raising preflop is really bad in my opinion. I could buy a car with the money I've made (including the money I've lost) raising loose limpers with ATo-AJo and c-betting if they call. What with all the dollar-burning and dollar-wiping analogies being thrown around I think I'll chalk this one up as 'innacurate and over-aggressive'. By the way I called and MP2 had 77, Button 43 and I lost. Oopsie.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The main things to focus on here are:You have a VERY weak draw on a board where people with stronger draws often have higher equity than you doYour raise so small that you do not price out their draws and they will never fold better made handsYou are not getting good pot oddsYou are virtually never ahead here anyway