XXEddie 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 StacksSB-$217MP(Doc)-$500+Me-$400SB is new to me, she's plyas a lot of pots and seriously thinks it's 100% correct. telling me how she laughs at tights players and enjoy when their 'book' hands gets cracked.Doc-very very aggro but he doesn't know when to stop. Rarely limps, most of the time he will at least make a small raise to juice the pot.Again, this is 12 but this game was juicy, we were 7 handed and a $15-$20 opening raise would still get 3-4 callers.Hero is dealt AcTc.1 fold, Doc raises to $4, I re-raise to $14, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Doc calls.I didn't raise to isolate, i knew they would call, but i wanted the pot to be bigger.Flop; Td 8c 3c.all check to me, I fire out $44, SB raises to $88, BB folds, Doc makes it $200.Now what? Doc will very often overplay just TP even with a bad kicker. But the thing with him is that i've never seen him min-raise like that, and show a decent hand. Its always 65o, 95s, something like that. Maybe he called with like T8 or something and caught. But the problem is he isnt really trying to force out the SB. SB's c/min-raise confused me. I could easily have her beat, but again Doc's raise makes me worry more.I'm thinking of leaning towards a call here cause I'l be calling $156 to win $650-ish if SB calls and if she does Doc is locked out, so i wont have to worry. And generally with an allin player, most times at this place if the side pot is head up, they will agree to check down or just throw an extra $X in and run it.Thoughts. Can I really fold this in this spot? Link to post Share on other sites
7s7c 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shovel. Then when you brick off 2X and lose to 83os, rebuy, rinse and repeat. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'd just shove Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shovel - do a dance when you hit the flush on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm thinking of leaning towards a call here cause I'l be calling $156 to win $650-ish if SB calls and if she does Doc is locked out, so i wont have to worry. And generally with an allin player, most times at this place if the side pot is head up, they will agree to check down or just throw an extra $X in and run it.Thoughts. Can I really fold this in this spot? Last question first. Um. No. OK. If your read says she's smooth calling, OK. Otherwise we want to push this hand because we may be ahead, the villain has significant FE left and we want to see both cards anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Snap Shove. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 If they show me AA and TT, I still get it all in becuase the NFD 3 ways = profit.The only way that this scenario ever sucks a little for you is when 1 has a set and the other has a FD, hogging your outs. Also, the set boating up would be unfortunate, but you can worry about that when the turn paris the 3 after you got all your chips in on the flop Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 all they can eat seriously.Have to shove here. Have to have to have to.Shove and demand that the pot winner buys shots for the losers of the hand. Normally my play here as I play way better half in the bag than most others. Link to post Share on other sites
dscoot 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 i would just smooth call the 200, hoping to check down the rest of the way. doc aint folding to your shove most likely, so no fold equity in doing that. sb plays a lot of pots, and is committed to, so no fold equity vs her either, plus your hand wants callers. if doc wants to bet the rest on the turn you have to call 99% of the time Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 doc aint folding to your shove most likelywhich is great if he has KT Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 Ok so i just flat called called the $200, SB shoved for $13 more, we both called.I asked doc what he wanted to do and he said put $50 in a run it so we did.SB showed TTDoc showed 88turn and river we're both clubs, neither of them paired the board, ship the $800 pot, kplzthx Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ok so i just flat called called the $200, SB shoved for $13 more, we both called.I asked doc what he wanted to do and he said put $50 in a run it so we did.SB showed TTDoc showed 88turn and river we're both clubs, neither of them paired the board, ship the $800 pot, kplzthxExactly as planned. Link to post Share on other sites
dscoot 0 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 In a way with good reads u can kinda assume you might be behind and sometimes badly, but eventually in poker u gotta stick it in with the worst hand, this is the perfect scenario to do that. Rather stick it in with the worst here but a chance to catch up than another time drawing dead or like 2%. Link to post Share on other sites
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