rdtedm 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 7-handed 1/2 NLVillain has been playing tight/passive.Hero ($250)Villain ($150)Hero is BB w/ :jh3 folds, MP calls $2, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks3-Way Flop ($6) :10dSB bets $7, Hero raises to $20, MP folds, SB raises to $55, Hero... Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I call behind because I'm a station. I don't want Q10/J10 to fold and any made straight K9/98 is not going to fold if we reraise. Since he's tight passive, I don't think that he's on a flush draw. We may able to either bluff the turn if a flush card falls or a king falls or just take a free river if the turn freezes villain if we believe that he can't fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shoves? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I call behind because I'm a station. I don't want Q10/J10 to fold and any made straight K9/98 is not going to fold if we reraise. Since he's tight passive, I don't think that he's on a flush draw. We may able to either bluff the turn if a flush card falls or a king falls or just take a free river if the turn freezes villain if we believe that he can't fold.i like this line vs the shove for reasons abovealthough i also try to make it a rule not to play for stacks in a limped pot. Link to post Share on other sites
foteeninches 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 fold or shove, no call hereyoure either up against k9 or 98 or even possibly AK or open ended straight flush draw or gut shot straight flush drawor a worse two pair or unlikely AQor unlikely a setor unlikely KK or AAIf you assign likelihood percentages to these cases and then multiply by your likelihood of winning in each case and add it up youre probably looking at around a coin flip. thus, shoving is fine because you already have 20 in the pot and you get fold equity. Id prob fold since I had you estimated at around 39% so id prefer to fold here cuz you can still get away rather cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
foteeninches 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 actually i take that all back cuz i missed that you said opponent is tight/passive. that lowers likelihood of two pair and the drawing hands enormously (cause hed probably just call) and increases the made straight likelihood significantly. I say this is a folding situation. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Call. The only think I can imagine beating you at this point is 98. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shoves?That was my first though, now i'm confused because everyone's saying call Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't think you can call here, to many draws, I think you can fold this, but I probably wouldn't. Tight passive players aren't raising one pair there, Maybe AA or KK.I say shove > fold > callhope you have 6 outs to the boat Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shove folds every hand we beat and none of the hands that beat us. Villain is passive so unlikely to be c/r'ing a flush draw. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shove folds every hand we beat and none of the hands that beat us. Villain is passive so unlikely to be c/r'ing a flush draw.if a bad card rolls off like a K etc, and villain still bets, it's pretty obvious we're beat here. I don't like shoving when this villain is repping big. I like using our position to eval. what villain does on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Shove folds every hand we beat and none of the hands that beat us. Villain is passive so unlikely to be c/r'ing a flush draw.i still like a call way more than a shove but QT and TJ do not always fold here. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 actually i take that all back cuz i missed that you said opponent is tight/passive. that lowers likelihood of two pair and the drawing hands enormously (cause hed probably just call) and increases the made straight likelihood significantly. I say this is a folding situation.Considering stacks, this is going all in by the time we get to the river ... Don't go broke in an un-raised pot. A passive player would call down his two pair, not raise it. He's trying to bump the pot up on a made straight ... K9 89 ... it don't matter. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Considering stacks, this is going all in by the time we get to the river ... Don't go broke in an un-raised pot. A passive player would call down his two pair, not raise it. He's trying to bump the pot up on a made straight ... K9 89 ... it don't matter.Don't make blanket rules about anything to do with poker strategy? Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 Villain is tight passive, so I was 90% sure he wasn't bluffing here. I'd never seen him take a bet/3-bet line, so I was convinced he had a strong hand. This eliminated my option to shove, because I don't think he calls with a worse hand or folds a better one. I guess the question is, is a call or a fold better here if we're 90%+ sure he has at minimum two pair? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Villain is tight passive, so I was 90% sure he wasn't bluffing here. I'd never seen him take a bet/3-bet line, so I was convinced he had a strong hand. This eliminated my option to shove, because I don't think he calls with a worse hand or folds a better one. I guess the question is, is a call or a fold better here if we're 90%+ sure he has at minimum two pair?You basically put him on exactly K9 or 89. If you think he's got those hands, you just fold. If you think he's got any kind of combo draw or another 2 pair, just shove. I don't think there should be many decisions in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I call behind because I'm a station. I don't want Q10/J10 to fold and any made straight K9/98 is not going to fold if we reraise. Since he's tight passive, I don't think that he's on a flush draw. We may able to either bluff the turn if a flush card falls or a king falls or just take a free river if the turn freezes villain if we believe that he can't fold.wow, i didnt even have to type anything, this was my 1st exact thought.well done gobears Link to post Share on other sites
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