cwik 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 This hand is similar to bcd30's, but just a check up.Villain is new to the table, I think it is his first hand.Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $1/$26 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $259.45UTG+1: $237.50CO: $197Button: $310.85Hero: $201BB: $200Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T T 4 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls.Flop: 3 Q J ($36, 2 players)Hero ...what is our line here? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Uh, do you beat anything? Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Fold. You were calling to hit a 10 or an OESD on the flop. You missed. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Uh, do you beat anything?Sorry I miss pasted the hand, didn't wanna give full action... edited. Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'm check raising with AQ/KK/AA on this flop, and check/folding with hands I'm likely calling to hit a set or overpair with. JJ/QQ/JQ I'm probably calling and donk leading the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 villain dependent hand. How often is he 3betting solid hands, how often is it trash. this is typically a c/f Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 i prefer c/f but will occassionally b/f based on villian Link to post Share on other sites
ah2388 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 i prefer c/f but will occassionally b/f based on villiandepends on villain, but its often a c/f here. If hes a solid regular who you know is going to be 3 betting light i take a different line on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Nothing wrong with c/f here.Any read on the villain? I often 4-bet pre here in a BvB battle if I think he's playing his position even a little. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I often 4-bet pre here in a BvB battle if I think he's playing his position even a little.Yeah I 4-bet pre here as my standard line. I need notes or stats telling me not to 4 bet, not vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Yeah I 4-bet pre here as my standard line. I need notes or stats telling me not to 4 bet, not vice versa.Yeah, I mean, you're not really gonna get called by any hands that you dominate too often, but you'd really like to make him fold things that he could reasonably RR you with in this situation like AJ+, QJ+, KJ+ and those types of hands that we flip against.I 4-bet as a default here too. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 what is our line here?Unknown villain ... $25 and dump UI with actionKnown villain: act accordingly Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Unknown villain ... $25 and dump UI with actionCare to explain why?We're OOP and crushed by his range after this horrible flop. We know nothing about his hand, so let's start randomly bluffing into him? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Care to explain why? We're OOP and crushed by his range after this horrible flop. We know nothing about his hand, so let's start randomly bluffing into him?Villain is new to table has a lot to do with it. I think he has as much chance to have any of 15 random suited connector hands or PP<TT in play as he does AA KK QQ JJ AQ AJ. Something about "first hands" ... people always play them hard, especially when they feel under attack in the BB right away. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Villain is new to table has a lot to do with it. I think he has as much chance to have any of 15 random suited connector hands or PP<TT in play as he does AA KK QQ JJ AQ AJ. Something about "first hands" ... people always play them hard, especially when they feel under attack in the BB right away.I think you're gonna lose a lot of money if you think that new players are going to start randomly bluffing other players that they know nothing about. I think more often than not, when playing against people that you know nothing about, people tend to err on the side of caution.This is an easy c/f. It's an easier 4-bet pre as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think this is a pretty easy c/f on the flop.Without a read on the BB i'd 4-bet this pretty much all the time as well. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 4betting here essentially turns your hand into bluff unless you actually plan on calling an all-innot a fanlol desmoines. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 ..... It's an easier 4-bet pre as well.Wasn't there just recently a thread on exactly that?http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...114986&st=0 Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 4betting here essentially turns your hand into bluff unless you actually plan on calling an all-inEh, I disagree. In this situation, I like 4-betting to get rid of a lot of unpaired overcards that would have a ton of equity against us that he could reasonably RR with. If I'm 4 betting, I am probably calling the all in. I don't think it's a bluff since we're never going to fold out better hands, just hands that shouldn't fold like QJo Wasn't there just recently a thread on exactly that?http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...114986&st=0 Umm, this thread is nothing like the OP. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 desmoines please stop being a retard Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Eh, I disagree. In this situation, I like 4-betting to get rid of a lot of unpaired overcards that would have a ton of equity against us that he could reasonably RR with. If I'm 4 betting, I am probably calling the all in. I don't think it's a bluff since we're never going to fold out better hands, just hands that shouldn't fold like QJo what does he shove that we beat? AK is the bottom of his range and maybe maybe AQ. Do you think villain would shoves 7s 8s 9s? If AK is the bottom of his shoving range, our hand does not look good here which is why i'd rather 4b 57o here than TT. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Eh, I disagree. In this situation, I like 4-betting to get rid of a lot of unpaired overcards that would have a ton of equity against us that he could reasonably RR with. If I'm 4 betting, I am probably calling the all in. I don't think it's a bluff since we're never going to fold out better hands, just hands that shouldn't fold like QJo :)Umm, this thread is nothing like the OP.I was talking about PF with TT in SB with PF 3 bet ... Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 desmoines please stop being a retardass Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 just honest Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 just honestseriously -- you're an ass Link to post Share on other sites
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