A New Spot I Suck Balls At (general)

[iggymcfly 0]

Overpair on a paired flop. I'm saying new because I thought I was good at these spots for a while, but I'm getting smoked lately. Multiway, I'm pretty comfortable. Bet once and then shut down. Fold if someone bets. HU it's a little tougher. It seems like whenever I finally get convinced that no one's every bluffing me after flat-calling the flop, something like this happens:PokerStars Game #14521440690: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/01/13 - 02:41:17 (ET)Table 'Telephus III' 6-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: DiamondJoe11 ($1270.50 in chips) Seat 2: NewBornBaby ($892.50 in chips) Seat 3: MattyFlushes ($322.60 in chips) Seat 4: rixon777 ($70 in chips) Seat 5: iggymcfly ($671 in chips) Seat 6: dangdang187 ($400 in chips) iggymcfly: posts small blind $2dangdang187: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to iggymcfly [As Ad 9d Jh]DiamondJoe11: folds NewBornBaby: folds MattyFlushes: folds rixon777: raises $10 to $14iggymcfly: raises $32 to $46dangdang187: calls $42rixon777: raises $24 to $70 and is all-iniggymcfly: calls $24dangdang187: calls $24*** FLOP *** [4c 4h 5h]iggymcfly: bets $20dangdang187: calls $20*** TURN *** [4c 4h 5h] [8c]iggymcfly: bets $120dangdang187: calls $120*** RIVER *** [4c 4h 5h 8c] [Ts]iggymcfly: checks dangdang187: bets $152iggymcfly: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***dangdang187: shows [Kc Ah 2d 7h] (a pair of Fours)dangdang187 collected $280 from side potrixon777: shows [3h 8s Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fours)rixon777 collected $207 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $490 Main pot $207. Side pot $280. | Rake $3 Board [4c 4h 5h 8c Ts]Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: NewBornBaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: MattyFlushes folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: rixon777 (button) showed [3h 8s Kh Kd] and won ($207) with two pair, Kings and FoursSeat 5: iggymcfly (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 6: dangdang187 (big blind) showed [Kc Ah 2d 7h] and won ($280) with a pair of FoursGranted, if I reraised small enough to allow a 4-bet preflop, this hand would have been easy, and I didn't play the flop very well either, but I still am hating this spot lately. I could post another 10 times where it's gone wrong just today. Didn't want to post something general about my weaknesses on 2+2 with the HU tourney going on, but I am kind of curious how people typically deal with this spot. The side-pot's a little atypical, but what about if it's just HU. What's your typical line with AA or KK on a flush draw board? A dry board? In position? Out of position? Just looking for some different approaches here.

[bdc30 0]

There's $210 in the pot on the flop, how come you only led out $20??

[fitzinabox 0]

that is $120 is it not? maybe im just drunk...

[bdc30 0]

70+70+70 = 210fwiw, on this specific hand, I'm potting flop and calling a shove.when he shows AK72 with one suit, i'm flipping the table over for him calling $70 preflop with that shit.

[iggymcfly 0]

The only hand I ever pot the flop with on a paired board is the underfull or occasionally top boat if it's a really vulnerable board (say 774). My standard bet size on that flop would be $140-$160. I just tried to get cute because it was a dry side pot. Here's a more typical hand:POKERSTARS GAME #14453014798: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/01/10 - 07:12:34 (ET)Table 'Herba IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: DiamondJoe11 ($243.70 in chips) Seat 2: murallin ($467.10 in chips) Seat 3: JA2377 ($216.10 in chips) Seat 4: jled ($239.50 in chips) Seat 5: SheilaShark ($959.70 in chips) Seat 6: iggymcfly ($334 in chips) DiamondJoe11: posts small blind $2murallin: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to iggymcfly [Jd Ac 9c Ad]JA2377: folds jled: folds SheilaShark: folds iggymcfly: raises $10 to $14DiamondJoe11: calls $12murallin: folds *** FLOP *** [7c 2h 2s]DiamondJoe11: checks iggymcfly: bets $24DiamondJoe11: calls $24*** TURN *** [7c 2h 2s] [4s]DiamondJoe11: checks iggymcfly: checks *** RIVER *** [7c 2h 2s 4s] [5d]DiamondJoe11: bets $75iggymcfly: calls $75*** SHOW DOWN ***DiamondJoe11: shows [2c Jc Ks Kh] (three of a kind, Deuces)iggymcfly: mucks hand DiamondJoe11 collected $227 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $230 | Rake $3 Board [7c 2h 2s 4s 5d]Seat 1: DiamondJoe11 (small blind) showed [2c Jc Ks Kh] and won ($227) with three of a kind, DeucesSeat 2: murallin (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: JA2377 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: jled folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: SheilaShark folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: iggymcfly (button) mucked [Jd Ac 9c Ad]