Cygnus 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Some peoples kids...http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ple_greg_raymer Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hmm why do I not believe that story?Isn't Yahoo Entertainment News as reliable as the Enquirer?Either way cool story and if it is true go Fossilman, u badass. Link to post Share on other sites
RtherBNvegas 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 crap you beat me. I posted this in the poker news section. didnt see this threadIts wierd it says that it happened on 20th at Bellagio but yet they post it on the main page today the 29th. thought that was kinda funky. Raymers not good enough to have his news posted on the same day LOL Link to post Share on other sites
KillerPanda 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 The best robbery story (in my opinion, even though robberies in general are horrific and I hope no one here ever has to experience one) is Doyle Brunson's story wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the attackers. Daniel may be the man, but Doyle is the Legend. Link to post Share on other sites
Cygnus 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 ...wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the...Wish I had thought about this on my wedding day.... :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
KillerPanda 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 ...wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the...Wish I had thought about this on my wedding day.... :shock:LOL Link to post Share on other sites
RtherBNvegas 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 ...wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the...Wish I had thought about this on my wedding day.... :shock: :-) haha Link to post Share on other sites
GaryMorris 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 The best robbery story (in my opinion, even though robberies in general are horrific and I hope no one here ever has to experience one) is Doyle Brunson's story wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the attackers. Â Daniel may be the man, but Doyle is the Legend. Â I guess you'd have to say that Doyle was "Bluffing" Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 does raymer have his own website? if so whats the address? Link to post Share on other sites
Skydancing8 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 he posts on 2+2 forums all the time. Theres a post on there somewhere on there about it where he verifies that it did indeed happen. Link to post Share on other sites
smitty 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 in hartford area, just read that in the paper this morning,thats just foul, good for him for fighting them off though, CT patent attoney's dont f around! Link to post Share on other sites
Mills 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 "wish I would have thought of that on my wedding day"thank you norman chad Link to post Share on other sites
Duff_Man 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 With the popularity explosion of poker and all of it's big stars becoming house hold names it unfortunatly opens up some scary doors. Everyone see's how much the top players make at a single tournament. Sadly I think that this won't be the last time we hear a story similiar to this. Especially considering some of the degenerates that we have all seen hanging out at the casinos that are always looking for a way to get cash quick. Luckily Raymer was able to defend himself, it helps that he is a large guy. But after they pulled a gun it would have been wiser to just hand over whatever money he had on him. I think security is just another topic that the big stars better start taking into consideration in there day to day lives. I'm reminded of that guy from West Verginia I tihnk that won the largest lottery ever. He's been mugged more than a few times already.Duff Link to post Share on other sites
DPD2K5 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Although this is one of the first stories(within the last few years) i've heard about the attempted mugging of a famous poker player I would not be surprised if this happenned again. In poker rooms like the Bellagio you can look across the room from the $4/8 tables and see some of pokers superstars. It would not be far fetched to have someone just follow them back to there room and try to rob them. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiburon41 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 It's scary. After hearing Greg's side of the story on 2+2, he's lucky to be alive. Talk about calling a bluff...You would think that casinos would be more secure. Everybody watch your back--and each others! Link to post Share on other sites
Awful 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Cruel terrible joke warning:Well, he wasn't going to outrun them.OK, there. Sorry, had to get that out of the way. No disrespect or anything other than some snide playfulness intended. He could definitely kill me in raquetball and I will admit it, unlike Rick Reilly or whoever that SI columnist was a month ago or so.That said, way to go Mr. Raymer, it's good that he's OK, and it is indeed possible that increased exposure may spur more such attacks, unfortunately.Also, for the person who brought up Doyle faking a heart attack. That was actually a trick he learned from another older texas road gambler, who instead of getting the people to leave him alone, would do it so he could get his gun out. Link to post Share on other sites
dEv~ 19 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 its cool that he did that but didn't he just ruin that tactic for everyone else. Anyway If I was a poker superstar I don't think I would be going anywhere by myself. If a guard isn't something you'd want at least have a friend with ya. Get the numbers in your favor and your odds improve greatly. Link to post Share on other sites
Random Fluke 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Personally I think it was stupid. It's only money... he basically called an all in, except it was his life he was betting. Raymer is old enough to know he isn't immortal. Link to post Share on other sites
WillinNewHaven 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 The best robbery story (in my opinion, even though robberies in general are horrific and I hope no one here ever has to experience one) is Doyle Brunson's story wherein he faked a heart attack in order to fool the attackers. Â Daniel may be the man, but Doyle is the Legend. Â Sometime in the Sixties or Seventies two muggers attacked an old man as he left the restaurant which he owned. He was well over seventy and they were young toughs in good shape. He put them both in the emergency room. If they had read the sign on the restaurant:Jack Dempsie'sThey might have saved themselves the trouble. :twisted: Link to post Share on other sites
KidKanuck 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 ...but continuing to resist (if that is in fact true) after they pulled a gun is ridiculous and foolish like another poster said...he put all his chips in against a far superior hand...only in this case the chips were his life. Not a clever play.just a thought.KK Link to post Share on other sites
elkang 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 If you read Raymer's account at twoplustwo he defends his decision making. I'll repost it here later if I have time, but for now, let me say that I think he made the right call. He also only had a few seconds to make it. Basically, he says they tried to muscle him into his room (for a possible kidnapping or robbery) and while resisting, one awkwardly pulled out a gun.Let me apply one poker rule --- the end result was good - so give the man props. It could have gone bad, but I think being in a room with those two knuckleheads has a greater chance of random shit happening and Raymer without any recourse. Link to post Share on other sites
WillinNewHaven 0 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 If you read Raymer's account at twoplustwo he defends his decision making. I'll repost it here later if I have time, but for now, let me say that I think he made the right call. He also only had a few seconds to make it. Basically, he says they tried to muscle him into his room (for a possible kidnapping or robbery) and while resisting, one awkwardly pulled out a gun.Let me apply one poker rule --- the end result was good - so give the man props. It could have gone bad, but I think being in a room with those two knuckleheads has a greater chance of random censored happening and Raymer without any recourse.Some very good thinking there. NEVER go anywhere with your assailants. If an armed man in a semi-public place tries to take you somewhere else, somewhere else is going to be a place where he can shoot you without attracting attention. Make him shoot you where you are because odds are he won't. Breaking contact and running away is the second safest thing you can do when confronted with an armed assailant, even one armed with a firearm. If you run into an area where there are possible witnesses, he might not shoot, probably won't. If he shoots, he probably won't hit you. This is statistically safer than handing over what the gunman wants. The tendency is to assume that a robber, having gotten what he wants, won't shoot you. This is logical but not borne out by the record. The safest thing to do is to resist with a firearm but you may not have one or you may not want to use one. Also firearms are not magical. Simply having one in your hand does not give you command of the situation. A young man once made the error of trying to pistol-whip me, taking the gun out of line and turning it into a clumsy little club. Had I been completely unarmed, I still probably could have handled the rest of the encounter but I kept the arm and thus the gun pointed away from me long enough to break his nose and poke his eyeball with a nightstick. The police read him his rights in the ambulance. Link to post Share on other sites
Random Fluke 0 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 The safest thing to do is to resist with a firearm but you may not have one or you may not want to use one.Americans... :roll: God love em Link to post Share on other sites
PrtyPSux 0 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 This is statistically safer than handing over what the gunman wants. The tendency is to assume that a robber, having gotten what he wants, won't shoot you. This is logical but not borne out by the record. The safest thing to do is to resist with a firearm but you may not have one or you may not want to use one.WOW!!!! THIS IS AMAZING !!! I want to see u get mugged in any other part of the world where the robbers are not.. what you would call "amateur" .... I'm from Mexico City where you get mugged and kidnapped every other day... and I sure will use your advice when I want to get shot.. if anyone else reads this and god forbidd, gets mugged, dont listen to this idiot, give them all you have and let them take it. It's not worth it, believe me, my grandfather was killed while being the governor of a state, and having a bodyguard, in the middle of traffic hour, and in broad daylight, just for not giving the guy his watch. If this robbery really did happen then the guys who tried robbing Raymer were being stupid for wanting to rob in a casino, but Raymer was almost as Stupid for fighting off a guy with a gun. I'm sure his wife would have been thrilled if he would have been shot.P.S. Im sure raymer can run away really fast. Link to post Share on other sites
WillinNewHaven 0 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 This is statistically safer than handing over what the gunman wants. The tendency is to assume that a robber, having gotten what he wants, won't shoot you. This is logical but not borne out by the record. The safest thing to do is to resist with a firearm but you may not have one or you may not want to use one.WOW!!!! THIS IS AMAZING !!! I want to see u get mugged in any other part of the world where the robbers are not.. what you would call "amateur" .... I'm from Mexico City where you get mugged and kidnapped every other day... and I sure will use your advice when I want to get shot.. if anyone else reads this and god forbidd, gets mugged, dont listen to this idiot, give them all you have and let them take it. It's not worth it, believe me, my grandfather was killed while being the governor of a state, and having a bodyguard, in the middle of traffic hour, and in broad daylight, just for not giving the guy his watch. If this robbery really did happen then the guys who tried robbing Raymer were being stupid for wanting to rob in a casino, but Raymer was almost as Stupid for fighting off a guy with a gun. I'm sure his wife would have been thrilled if he would have been shot.P.S. Im sure raymer can run away really fast.If you don't resist a KIDNAPPER the odds of your death are extremely good. There are times and places where kidnapping becomes almost ritualized and the kidnappers will turn you back over if the money gets paid. However, that is not the norm worldwide. In an ordinary mugging, it might be best to hand over your watch and/or your money but letting yourself be taken somewhere private is just a way of never being seen again. In a mugging, so much depends on the situation that no one can decide for you in your place. In a kidnapping, you had best be AWFULLY sure that the act has become ritualized where you are and that your chances of being ransomed and returned are excellent. In my own experience, I was shot while opening the cash register of Book World in New Haven on the night before New Years Eve in 1976. The robber was nervous and some of the customers were giving him a hard time. There was all of ninety bucks in the register and I would not have resisted. Seeing how much good that did me, I changed my policy. Other incidents worked out much better for me. I spent a great deal of time in Sonora between 1966 and 1970 and I don't remember spending a day without seeing several openly armed men. I would not have wanted to try to rob or kidnap them. Of course, they may have BEEN the robbers and kidnappers in the area. We were in rather inhospitable rural areas. They did not bother us. Link to post Share on other sites
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