limit he hand help

[custom36 5]

I just started on Absolute Poker, and almost have enough points to get pokertracker (should have it by the end of the night). I don't know to get hand history there, so I'm gonna type it out.0.5/1 Limit Hold'em 9-handedHero is MP2 with AJ clubsUTG calls, folded to hero. Hero raises. SB and UTG call.SB is new to the table, UTG is tight/weakFlop: 8-5-7 rainbow2 checks. Hero bets. 2 calls.Turn: A2 checks. Hero bets. SB raises. UTG folds. Hero calls.Should I have 3-bet here?River: 9SB bets, Hero calls.Do I raise this?

[tskillz187 0]

no, no

[tskillz187 0]

i guess you could argue a three bet the turn and then fold if he bets out on the river but then the pot is super big by that point, especially if he caps on the turn then you are just spewing chips away if you are gonna call him down, i think an argument can be made for folding on the turn, but i would call turn call river

[KDawgCometh 2]

I'd threebet the turn, but the call behind on the river was fine

[Vade 0]

I like the turn three bet also. He could be representing an ace, he could have a straight draw, or of course you could be behind.Raising the river is suicidal imo

[tskillz187 0]

I'd threebet the turn, but the call behind on the river was fine

and if he caps the turn do you call and then call a river bet?

[custom36 5]

Well, thanks for your advice. A 3-bet crossed my mind, but I thought I may be pretty far behind. He had A-4. I really don't understand the check/raise on the turn. Maybe he thought he was going to hit the gutshot or maybe he's just a really big fish. I took down the pot - laughing.

[Vade 0]

Well, thanks for your advice.  A 3-bet crossed my mind, but I thought I may be pretty far behind.  He had A-4.  I really don't understand the check/raise on the turn.  Maybe he thought he was going to hit the gutshot or maybe he's just a really big fish.  I took down the pot - laughing.

He's a fish of course ;)On top of that he presumed you had nothing...i dunno

[KDawgCometh 2]

I'd threebet the turn, but the call behind on the river was fine

and if he caps the turn do you call and then call a river bet?

possibly. OP didn't give pot size so I can't fully determine, also there were no reads

[custom36 5]

I'd threebet the turn, but the call behind on the river was fine

and if he caps the turn do you call and then call a river bet?

possibly. OP didn't give pot size so I can't fully determine, also there were no reads

Pot size when ___ card comes:Flop: $3.50Turn: $5.00River: $8.00Final: $10.00This is all minus rake, of course.

[tskillz187 0]

i think it would be giving you 10:1 odds to call on the river, but i dont think AJ wins with a cap on the turn and then a lead out on the river 10% given no reads

[Absolute 0]

This sounds crazy, but raise the turn and fold to a cap.If he just calls your turn 3bet hell check the river.

[Guest]

This sounds crazy, but raise the turn and fold to a cap.If he just calls your turn 3bet hell check the river.

I can understand the 3-bet/fold to cap on the turn as it means he probably has you drawing dead. (I don't agree with this as there are a TON of horrible people at this level that are more than happy to cap this on the turn.)If you 3-bet, and he only calls, and the river looks harmless why check behind him? At this point the pot is pretty big and I think you're ahead more than 50% of the time to make the bet worth it.With that said, checking isn't horrible as there are a LOT of people that are also very weak and may think they're two pair may be no good in that position or have fancy play syndrome and try for a check/raise on the river. Without reads I think there is very little difference between them and I personally lean towards the more aggressive approach.Zara

[Emptyeye 0]

This sounds crazy, but raise the turn and fold to a cap.If he just calls your turn 3bet hell check the river.

I can understand the 3-bet/fold to cap on the turn as it means he probably has you drawing dead. (I don't agree with this as there are a TON of horrible people at this level that are more than happy to cap this on the turn.)If you 3-bet, and he only calls, and the river looks harmless why check behind him? At this point the pot is pretty big and I think you're ahead more than 50% of the time to make the bet worth it.With that said, checking isn't horrible as there are a LOT of people that are also very weak and may think they're two pair may be no good in that position or have fancy play syndrome and try for a check/raise on the river. Without reads I think there is very little difference between them and I personally lean towards the more aggressive approach.Zara

I think what Absolute meant to say was "he'll (Meaning the opponent) check the river", not "Hell, check the river".APOSTROPHES, man!

[Absolute 0]

This sounds crazy, but raise the turn and fold to a cap.If he just calls your turn 3bet hell check the river.

I can understand the 3-bet/fold to cap on the turn as it means he probably has you drawing dead. (I don't agree with this as there are a TON of horrible people at this level that are more than happy to cap this on the turn.)If you 3-bet, and he only calls, and the river looks harmless why check behind him? At this point the pot is pretty big and I think you're ahead more than 50% of the time to make the bet worth it.With that said, checking isn't horrible as there are a LOT of people that are also very weak and may think they're two pair may be no good in that position or have fancy play syndrome and try for a check/raise on the river. Without reads I think there is very little difference between them and I personally lean towards the more aggressive approach.Zara

You think I would check behind on the river?Do I look like Corky from Life Goes On?

[Guest]

I think what Absolute meant to say was "he'll (Meaning the opponent) check the river", not "Hell, check the river".APOSTROPHES, man!

Hehe, I think you just might be right now that you mention that. :oops: If that's what is meant, then yes, I agree he'll check the river and I still think you should bet.Zara

[KDawgCometh 2]

Sorry Absolute, I'd call the cap aas we're getting odds to try to make 2 pair. Plus if another Ace comes then that's a good card fopr us too as it makes it less likely that they have an ace. But if it got capped I 'd fold to a river bet

[CobaltBlue 662]

He had A-4.  I really don't understand the check/raise on the turn.

Just a guess, but he likely thought he'd sucked out your nines, tens, jacks, queens, or kings.

[Absolute 0]

I think what Absolute meant to say was "he'll (Meaning the opponent) check the river", not "Hell, check the river".APOSTROPHES, man!

Hehe, I think you just might be right now that you mention that. :oops: If that's what is meant, then yes, I agree he'll check the river and I still think you should bet.Zara

ive already clarified that this is what i meanthave i not

[Absolute 0]

Sorry Absolute, I'd call the cap aas we're getting odds to try to make 2 pair. Plus if another Ace comes then that's a good card fopr us too as it makes it less likely that they have an ace. But if it got capped I 'd fold to a river bet

i wont hold it against you that you are wrong

[custom36 5]

Sounds like I made the best move considering I had him beat. I'm sure he would've capped when I 3-bet. The table wiped him out pretty quickly.

[Absolute 0]

Sounds like I made the best move considering I had him beat.  I'm sure he would've capped when I 3-bet.  The table wiped him out pretty quickly.

i think its pretty agreed upon that you need to 3bet the turn

[KDawgCometh 2]

Sorry Absolute, I'd call the cap aas we're getting odds to try to make 2 pair. Plus if another Ace comes then that's a good card fopr us too as it makes it less likely that they have an ace. But if it got capped I 'd fold to a river bet

i wont hold it against you that you are wrong

uh huh, so says you. Explain how it would make sense to fold to a cap, when you can call the cap and fold thew river UI

[custom36 5]

Sounds like I made the best move considering I had him beat.  I'm sure he would've capped when I 3-bet.  The table wiped him out pretty quickly.

i think its pretty agreed upon that you need to 3bet the turn

Heh, yeah, then you're telling me to fold to a cap.

[tskillz187 0]

i still dont know if 3 betting that turn is right i have been passively thinking about it for most of the day, i can see 3 betting the turn and folding to a cap thought i think this is the worst route to go of the three i dont think its that bad a play, then i can see just calling two and calling river, then i can see three betting calling capped and folding unimproved... this hand is just giving me al ot of problems i think the way custom intially played it is correct.