11 replies to this topic

[KevinFKHS]

So this is actually a hand a friend of mine played fairly early to mid-way in a 90-man sng.
We've been discussing that hand for quite a time now with totally different opinions on how it was played, so:
Comments on ALL streets please, thank you :-)


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t13825)
BB (t3850)
UTG (t1645)
UTG+1 (t4870)
Hero (t9115)
MP2 (t5940)
CO (t8450)
Button (t2555)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, Q.
2 folds, Hero calls t240, 1 fold, CO calls t240, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1020) Q, 8, J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t520, CO folds, SB calls t520, BB folds.

Turn: (t2060) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t520, SB calls t520.

River: (t3100) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t3100

[sactownjoey]

PF: I'm folding or raising, probably folding.

Flop: I'm betting 700.

Turn: If called on flop, I'm checking.

River: As played.

All the c/c makes me think this is a pair and busted straight draw, J9, Q10, KJ, something like that. But I don't know if I trust that read enough to bet on the river and face a c/r.

Others may play this more aggressively and I can understand that too.

[pokerinc]

I also fold pre, I bet 700 on the flop, 1500 on the turn, check the river.

[sennin]

Bet at least 1/2 on the turn if you're going to do it. You gained no information with this bet, just built a bigger pot.

I think Im more inclined to check behind on the turn and check behind/call a relatively safe river

[KevinFKHS]

So, as the hand was played to the river, is noone a real fan of a value bet on the river?

[Sheiky]

I would fold PF probably, but if i decided to play i like raising better.

I think he played it fine, though i would value bet small on the river because think you have the best hand but it's going to be really hard for the SB to fold a weak hand too a small bet in a massive pot when he has a lot of chips behind.

[donk4life]

If you're going to play this hand.. raise PF..

Checking the river is bad here IMO, Value town baby.. This could easily be a hand like KJ or QT and he'll pay you off...

[NankerPhelge]

Check behind on the turn. It feels to me like he has a weak Q or maybe a busted straight draw. Would villain call on 3 streets with a weak Q? I'm not sure.

I would probably just check the river but I don't think a small value bet is bad.

[donk4life]

Check behind on the turn. It feels to me like he has a weak Q or maybe a busted straight draw. Would villain call on 3 streets with a weak Q? I'm not sure.

I would probably just check the river but I don't think a small value bet is bad.

Why would you check the turn? next to another queen that's the best card in the deck for us... If he has a weak queen we can extract more value out of him..

I'm firing on all streets here.. it's just not a scary board, and villain has shown no agression..

[jmbreslin]

Why would you check the turn? next to another queen that's the best card in the deck for us...

Unless he's playing A8, but that's the only legit hand we're worried about.

I'm a bit surprised at how many of you would fold PF. Hero has a nice stack and KQ with blinds at 150/300 and this is a fold? A standard raise at these blind levels will force out anything that isn't a legit starting hand and will put Hero in a clearer spot on the flop, likely heads-up (if he doesn't take the pot PF).
IMO, raising --->folding---------->limping

[NankerPhelge]

Well that would be my first reaction. We now know that he checked again on the river but if we discount that and try to analyse the hand on the turn I'm not sure whether betting is the right option. Let's analyse it.

If you bet on the turn how much do you bet? If he has a hand like J9 then he is getting the right odds even if you make a bet like 1500. I don't want to be putting that much in on one pair. In fact even with Q10 a bet of ~1000 would be needed to give him the wrong odds for calling. If he has a weaker Q and neither a T or 9 come on the river then you likely still have him beat and the bet on the turn won't change that.

Plus if you check behind on the turn you're more likely to get a call on the river.

What do people think? Would this be missing a bet?

[MovingIn]

If you're gonna bet the turn you have to bet way more than 520... at least 1000... IF you're gonna bet the turn. Betting a quarter of the pot shows weakness, gives villain an easy call and tells you nothing about what villain's got.