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[akishore]

i have J J in the SB.ANTES/BLINDSakishoreFCP posts blind ($0.50), mhig posts blind ($1).PRE-FLOPmarque2121 folds, vygotsky folds, TnA 24 calls $1, Ridge46 folds, zydecodancer calls $1, livinitup0 calls $1, akishoreFCP bets $1.50, mhig folds, TnA 24 calls $1, zydecodancer calls $1, livinitup0 calls $1.(pot = $9)FLOP [board cards J :spade: ,8 :club: ,5 :heart: ]akishoreFCP _____, ...first to act, on a rainbow, not-too-coordinated flop (10-9 and 7-6 present problems, but otherwise, with the exception of a gutshot maybe, i just think people either hit it or they didn't). i was the pre-flop aggressor--every inch of my body is telling me to bet--but i wasn't sure. i also felt that it might be too obvious to check here, but again, i wasn't sure.what's your move?the table is TAG.aseem

[KingAustin]

Well, if you've been aggressive at the table, go ahead and bet. If you've been a little bit on the passive side, checking probably wouldnt be obvious because then they might put you on AQ or AK. If you check here and someone bets, just call and if the turn is a non-scary card, check raise.

[DKE_XP120]

KingAustin said:

Well, if you've been aggressive at the table, go ahead and bet.  If you've been a little bit on the passive side, checking probably wouldnt be obvious because then they might put you on AQ or AK.  If you check here and someone bets, just call and if the turn is a non-scary card, check raise.

[Emptyeye]

As I've said many times before, since I'll bet on the flop ANYWAY when I'm the preflop aggressor, just going ahead and fastplaying it usually is a much better disguise than trying to slowplay it.What do we usually say about preflop aggression? Follow it up with postflop aggression. You've hit HARD here, and the fact that you'd even consider slowplaying this, frankly, astounds me.Note, of course, this presumes you've been aggressive postflop all game after showing preflop aggression. If you've been mixing up your postflop play sufficiently (Remember, I come from micro-limit where doing so is typically lost on the players there anyway), I can see a case for a slowplay here. Just be aware that if any scary cards fall, you may have given someone with a weird draw a means to hit it more cheaply than you perhaps should have.

[KDawgCometh]

ummm, your the PF threebettor, you'd better be betting this flop. When I see someone do that I'm hering one of two things in my head, 1. he has a monster or 2. He wiffed on AK and is too much of a vag to bet out. Plus this board is coordindated with possible straight draws. We can never assume that anyone doesn't have one of the non-starightening hands at most limits under 40-80, and even then youy'd be surprised. bet out and hope to get raised, don't slowplay a set when you've been the PF raiser

[akishore]

yeah, i bet out. i just couldn't bring myself to check.two folds, and the button called then folded to a checkraise on the turn.sure, it's a won pot, but i was just wondering if i could have maximized my profit by doing something different (the only option being check-calling or check-raising the turn).aseem

[dms26]

I think you played it correctly, there were possible straight draws and you have to make them pay to chase. Problem is, there aren't very many hands that are going to pay you off on this flop except AJ or someone that can't fold TT. It's always nice to hit top set though :-) and it was still a nice pot because of all the preflop betting.

[Emptyeye]

akishore said:

yeah, i bet out. i just couldn't bring myself to check.two folds, and the button called then folded to a checkraise on the turn.sure, it's a won pot, but i was just wondering if i could have maximized my profit by doing something different (the only option being check-calling or check-raising the turn).aseem

Good man. ;)I actually like the way you played it...of course,you would've felt like an idiot had he checked behind on the turn. Also, yeah, hitting the nuts on a safe board is only nice, but again, besides maybe a 67 here, the only hands I see paying you off are those that also hit the flop hard (IE two-pair or an underset) and would have paid you of regardless of how you played it.

[mrdannyg]

i see two options, neither of which is betting the flop, then check-raising the turn.firstly, you can simply bet out flop, turn and river. if you get raised at any point, you have a decision to make, but until then, just hope for callers.secondly, you can check/call flop, then check/raise turn. at this point it might be late enough in the hand that you'll be called on the turn and even the river if the player has any pair. anything lower than 3/6 or 2/4 and this should work. though, if the turn is checked you are again in trouble.i think the only case flopping top set after a PF raise calls for a slow-play is with kings. perhaps with aces, but only if you don't think someone else has an ace, or that someone with an AX (or AXs) will fold to continued aggression with the ace on board.with kings it is not a bad idea, given the likelihood that someone has hit a king, someone has hit an ace (hopefully) or by checking, you can (temporarily) convince someone their second pair is still ahead. i mostly say this because people will likely put you on KA in this situation, and unless they make a stronger hand than TPTK you will likely see little action.cheers,daniel