Borrowed Hand

[bdc30 0]

I'm obv not involved as it's a little above my stakes - just thought I'd let simo/bud/lebowski, et al chime in with their thoughts on this one, since I found it interestingPoker Stars $5.00/$10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 playersMP: $409.50CO: $274.00BTN: $1261.00Hero (SB): $1600.25BB: $2016.00UTG: $974.50Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A T A Q UTG raises to $35, 2 folds, BTN calls $35, Hero calls $30, BB calls $25Flop: ($140.00) 6 5 J (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $110, BTN folds, Hero calls $110, BB calls $110Turn: ($470.00) 7 (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $375, Hero calls $375, BB raises to $1871 all in, UTG calls $454.50 all in, Hero folds

[simo_8ball 1]

Reraise that monster preflop. Flat calling there is really bad.Flop check/call is bad too. Checkraise is good because UTG can bet so many hands you crush there, and you have 10 nut outs.Turn check/call/fold is really spewy.The only decision I agree with is folding to the turn shoves.

[meservery 0]

I'm obv not involved as it's a little above my stakes - just thought I'd let simo/bud/lebowski, et al chime in with their thoughts on this one, since I found it interestingPoker Stars $5.00/$10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 playersMP: $409.50CO: $274.00BTN: $1261.00Hero (SB): $1600.25BB: $2016.00UTG: $974.50Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A T A Q UTG raises to $35, 2 folds, BTN calls $35, Hero calls $30, BB calls $25Flop: ($140.00) 6 5 J (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $110, BTN folds, Hero calls $110, BB calls $110Turn: ($470.00) 7 (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $375, Hero calls $375, BB raises to $1871 all in, UTG calls $454.50 all in, Hero folds

When I first saw this hand, I commented to lead flop or CR pot on the flop. I didnt even realize there was no re-raise from this hand preflop...

[skribe 0]

Sb re raise is poor here in my opinion pre flop being so out of position...id get really aggressive on the flop though, your hand is probably crushing utg, and we want to get rid of any straight draws

[simo_8ball 1]

Sb re raise is poor here in my opinion pre flop being so out of position...

I'm guessing you never reraise preflop with less than AAxx in any situation.

[bdc30 0]

Imho, this is a MUST raise from ANY position, in ANY situation. This is probably THE best (barring only AAJT ds) hand in the game of omaha.

[simo_8ball 1]

Imho, this is a MUST raise from ANY position, in ANY situation. This is probably THE best (barring only AAJT ds) hand in the game of omaha.

I'd rather have AAQJds and AAKKds over AAQTds, but it's pretty much the same as saying "I'd rather have AsAc than AhAd" in holdem.

[BudBundy 0]

I agree with everything simo said. Nothing to add.This hand is played very passively.

[skribe 0]

I'm guessing you never reraise preflop with less than AAxx in any situation.

i dont re raise AAxx in the SB pre flop, id much rather do it with a hand like 78910 in position. unless you are re raising with a huge range pf from the sb, then what is the point of defining your hand in a deep stacked game? no one will or should fold to it and you are clueless as to what they hold. you are just going to get yourself into an ugly flop situation and either win a small amount or get stacked.

[bdc30 0]

unless you are re raising with a huge range pf from the sb, then what is the point of defining your hand in a deep stacked game? no one will or should fold to it and you are clueless as to what they hold.

To build a pot with one of the highest value hands in the game. If you whiff, you can fold. On this flop I'm racing to get all my money in if we'd raised preflop. Sure, they can put you on AAxx. Can they possibly know you're double suited and have the QT for straight backups?

[skribe 0]

To build a pot with one of the highest value hands in the game. If you whiff, you can fold. On this flop I'm racing to get all my money in if we'd raised preflop. Sure, they can put you on AAxx. Can they possibly know you're double suited and have the QT for straight backups?

it's still wrong that badly out of position. it's too hard to play the non clear cut flops and you will end up losing money on them. what happens on this hand if you re raised pf and the flop comes the same except without a flush draw...how do you proceed with 3 people to act behind you and a 500 dollar pot in front of you? checking is weak and a big raise can mean your stack drawing to 2 outs.also pre flop we are really not that huge of a favourite against a couple hands, especially low wrap ones

[meservery 0]

it's still wrong that badly out of position. it's too hard to play the non clear cut flops and you will end up losing money on them. what happens on this hand if you re raised pf and the flop comes the same except without a flush draw...how do you proceed with 3 people to act behind you and a 500 dollar pot in front of you? checking is weak and a big raise can mean your stack drawing to 2 outs.also pre flop we are really not that huge of a favourite against a couple hands, especially low wrap ones

I would probably agree with this with a AARagRag... maybe.But like others were saying AAQT double suited is a HUGE freaking hand.And how can checking be considered weak on an unfavorable board, while not raising with a top 99.99% hand be considered smart? (how do you word this correctly...?)

[simo_8ball 1]

Odds for flush draw given we are doublesuited:22/48 x 10/47 = 0.0975.(1 - 0.0975)^(3 choose 2) = 0.7351 - 0.735 = 0.265.We will flop a flush or a flush draw 26.5% of the time.We will flop an ace approximately 12.5% of the time (about 1 in 8). Taking out the times we flop a flush draw as well we can say that's about 11%.So, including flops of Q-X, K-J-X, Q-Q-X, T-T-X, J-9-X, we will be comfortable shoving on more than 40% of flops, possibly as many as 45% of flops.Then there are the times the flop comes 822, K72, 222, etc. which miss us but aren still good.We can check/fold the bad flops. When we repot UTG might have a worse AAxx (or another premium hand) and reshove.This hand is extremely powerful and you want to build a big pot with it.