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[akishore]

i have A A UTG+1 (nine-handed $1/2).ANTES/BLINDSjoeckyle posts blind ($0.50), thenutzz28x posts blind ($1).PRE-FLOPalexisrn calls $1, akishoreFCP bets $2, Smilin Tim bets $3, mhig folds, jimmymo515 folds, IPlayAces folds, Jackpot-Jim folds, joeckyle folds, thenutzz28x folds, alexisrn folds, akishoreFCP bets $2, Smilin Tim calls $1.(pot = $10)FLOP [board cards 9 :club: ,2 :heart: ,7 :club: ]akishoreFCP bets $1, Smilin Tim calls $1.(pot = $12)TURN [board cards 9 :club: ,2 :heart: ,7 :club: ,Q :heart: ]akishoreFCP bets $2, Smilin Tim bets $4, akishoreFCP _____, ...your options:1. fold :shock: 2. call, check-call the river UI.3. three-bet that mofo, call a raise, check-call the river UI.4. three-bet that mofo, call a raise, bet-call the river UI.5. three-bet that mofo, call a raise, cap the river UI. :shock: as you can see, the two extremes are pretty dumb. i'm mostly wondering between options 2-4 what the best line is. the player is TAG (not sure if he's tricky).aseem

[KingAustin]

I would go with #4.

[Pupsta]

i'm going #2...i'd like to hear from others as to what their reasoning is, why it'd be +EV to raise and bet/call or check/call the river, because i get in this situation somewhat frequently and may have been missing some bets.

[KDawgCometh]

assem, use the converter on this stuff or make teh names into positions, its not nice giving out names unless you know them as a forum emember or a friend of yours. Okay. I'd threebet his ass call the cap and checkcall teh river. I have no clue as to what number that is. Just calling a single raise there w/o any good reads to me is just weak-tight, then again I have been accused of overplaying hands before, but still His ass is getting threebet and he's gonna like it. He could be way overplaying AQ or KQ or he could be thinking that his KK is good. For teh amount of times he just hit a 2 outer on you, you'll be way ahead and will be missing out on extra BBs by not threebeetting his aas

[DKE_XP120]

KDawgCometh said:

assem, use the converter on this stuff or make teh names into positions, its not nice giving out names unless you know them as a forum emember or a friend of yours. Okay. I'd threebet his ass call the cap and checkcall teh river. I have no clue as to what number that is. Just calling a single raise there w/o any good reads to me is just weak-tight, then again I have been accused of overplaying hands before, but still His ass is getting threebet and he's gonna like it. He could be way overplaying AQ or KQ or he could be thinking that his KK is good. For teh amount of times he just hit a 2 outer on you, you'll be way ahead and will be missing out on extra BBs by not threebeetting his aas

You can tell when you wake up and first hit the forum, about 15 posts just got bumped up with you as the last poster...I agree 3 betting, and check calling the river UI if he caps

[wrto4556]

3-betting is bad.Just call down.

[akishore]

sorry--the converter wasn't working with the pokerroom hand histories. i'll edit the names out in the future.anyway, so far it's a tie between calling the raise and check-calling the river UI, and three-betting the raise, (calling the cap,) and check-calling the river UI. one person said three-betting and bet-calling the river, but i think that's a little overaggressive--even heads-up.i three-bet here, then check-called the river and lost to Q-Q. however, i think kdawg has a point--won't i be up against K-K/A-Q/K-Q more often than K-Q here?still wondering...aseem

[JFarrell20]

i'd go with 4. he hit his AQ on the turn and is protecting against a K falling on the river.Re-raise him. Call a cap. If he does raise back I may check/call the river but most people will say bet/call the river, and forget that he capped the turn.

[cdddc75]

If you are ahead, the most you are going to get in is two more big bets (a three bet on the turn and a single on the river). If villain has QQ (most likely with a capped pot and your aggression), three betting the turn sets you up to lose three (or four) more big bets.Given this, I call the turn raise and bet/call the river UI. I still get two bets in against an aggressive player with KQ/AQ, assuming he raises me again on the river. Against QQ, I limit my losses to two more big bets.This line seems to be the best balance between getting the most out of the times I am ahead while limiting the damage when I am dead to two outs against QQ.

[DCWildcat]

WRTO, what happened to the new aggresion? 8) 3-bet, call a cap, check/call the river. Only hand that he could be reasonably playing from a capped flop here is premium.You know he's not on a draw (you have the suited aces), you know he's not hit two pair (he couldn't be THAT stupid). Only hand I see that could worry me at this point would be QQ. With an overpair and only 1 possible hand to worry about, I can't see playing soft the rest of the way.

[Petoria]

I was going to say 3 bet, bet/call, but I'm really worried about him capping and just waking up on the turn. Here are a couple scenarios:1. He's a tight player, who wanted to check/call QQ down, and woke up when he tripped up on the turn.2. He makes a feel out bet on the turn, with KK/AQ to see where you are. 3. He's a horrible player, and he's value-betting AQ.I think scenario 2 is most likely, but just go ahead 3 bet/call, check/call.

[BeanGW]

akishore said:

sorry--the converter wasn't working with the pokerroom hand histories. i'll edit the names out in the future.anyway, so far it's a tie between calling the raise and check-calling the river UI, and three-betting the raise, (calling the cap,) and check-calling the river UI. one person said three-betting and bet-calling the river, but i think that's a little overaggressive--even heads-up.i three-bet here, then check-called the river and lost to Q-Q. however, i think kdawg has a point--won't i be up against K-K/A-Q/K-Q more often than K-Q here?still wondering...aseem

Absolutely three-bet the raise on the turn Kdawg is right that more often than not, with this flop you are way ahead. As for the river, honestly, if the river was not a club, K, another Q, or maybe a J, I'm probably gonna bet out there. This board is pretty ragged, and the absolutely only hand that you can put this guy on that could beat you is Q-Q.If the river card comes and there's only two to a flush with no straights out there, I'm betting like mad crazy. They gotta show me Q-Q on the river... and for everytime that they do, there are at least 5 that they show K-Q, A-Q, J-J, or K-K, and I take down the pot.