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[Craigdog]

Partypoker: 6 players NL Holdem $0.25/0.50

Hero has been playing for about 30 mins and reads villian to have no concept of position and overplays hands like K10, AJ , J 10. Hero's image is probably TAG.

Hero is on the button & holds A Q

Villian MP1 $38
Hero Button $57.25

Villian raises to $2, Co calls $2, hero raises to $11, SB folds, BB folds, villian calls $9 Co folds.

Flop: K J Q

Villian shoves all- in $27, hero pukes...

Two questions, do we like the play preflop and is it a profitable play longterm? What is our general read on a shove lead from this type of player at these stakes?

[pt special]

ya...raise preflop is good
idk about calling the shove, i think i probably do...getting a little under 2:1, i think your ahead here occasionally and getting good enough odds

[CobaltBlue]

Looks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump.

[Acid_Knight]

Looks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump.

Yeah, make it $9 or $10 pre, fold to the shove on the flop.

[shinzilla]

Preflop is standard. Automatic. I'm doing this like 90% of the time. Man, that flop is tough. I'm not sure. My sense is that this is a pair+OESD, but it very well could be two pair or a weak king. Or just a straight draw. I'd come up with a likely range and crunch the numbers through pokerstove, and do what the numbers tell me.

[Suited_Up]

JT or QT seems oh so possible. With bottom 2 next in line.... With KT I'd probably CRAI if I were him.

That being said, I agree that I'd raise less PF and reluctantly fold the flop, but I do feel you might be ahead at the moment.



BTW, Hi, I'm in strat

[Craigdog]

I folded the hand which was kinda automatic but I could not figure out what the guys range was to call preflop and then push like. Looking back the raise to $11 does look too strong but thats the way it went down.. ty for replys.

[mikeysong]

i'm lazy but someone should stove this vs

AK, AQ,AJ,AT, KQ, KJ, KT, t9...pretty much every pair + oesd it sounds like

[pt special]

i'm lazy but someone should stove this vs

AK, AQ,AJ,AT, KQ, KJ, KT, t9...pretty much every pair + oesd it sounds like

i think that is a pretty solid range.....someone stove this

[Zach6668]

Since I'm apparently not lazy:

CODE

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

103,950  games     0.005 secs    20,790,000  games/sec

Board: Ks Jc Qd
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     63.899%      58.46%     05.44%              60772          5650.50   { ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o }
Hand 1:     36.101%      30.67%     05.44%              31877          5650.50   { AhQh }

I added QT, QJ, JT to mikey's range.

[mtdesmoines]

ya...raise preflop is good
idk about calling the shove, i think i probably do...getting a little under 2:1, i think your ahead here occasionally and getting good enough odds

obv raise PF unless I have solid info on the villain

Looks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump.

Yeah, make it $9 or $10 pre, fold to the shove on the flop.

my thoughts exactly

JT or QT seems oh so possible. With bottom 2 next in line.... With KT I'd probably CRAI if I were him.
That being said, I agree that I'd raise less PF and reluctantly fold the flop, but I do feel you might be ahead at the moment.
BTW, Hi, I'm in strat

I can't see how we're ahead enough times to be calling this profitably.
We need to know the villain here.

Hi.

[Acid_Knight]

I added QT, QJ, JT to mikey's range.

How about TT+?

He can easily have a set, right?

[krup24]

i go to $8 pf and definitely fold the flop

[Zach6668]

How about TT+?

He can easily have a set, right?

Good call.

CODE

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

119,790  games     0.005 secs    23,958,000  games/sec

Board: Ks Jc Qd
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     36.114%      31.13%     04.98%              37294          5967.00   { AhQh }
Hand 1:     63.886%      58.90%     04.98%              70562          5967.00   { TT+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o }

It literally changes nothing, lol.

[Acid_Knight]

It literally changes nothing, lol.

Weird. I guess adding in TT, which we dominate, but has outs against us (and there are a full 6 combos of) outweighs the AA (3 combos), KK (3), QQ (1) and JJ (3) that dominate us..

Interesting.