Craigdog 0 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Partypoker: 6 players NL Holdem $0.25/0.50Hero has been playing for about 30 mins and reads villian to have no concept of position and overplays hands like K10, AJ , J 10. Hero's image is probably TAG.Hero is on the button & holds A Q Villian MP1 $38Hero Button $57.25Villian raises to $2, Co calls $2, hero raises to $11, SB folds, BB folds, villian calls $9 Co folds.Flop: K J Q Villian shoves all- in $27, hero pukes...Two questions, do we like the play preflop and is it a profitable play longterm? What is our general read on a shove lead from this type of player at these stakes? Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 ya...raise preflop is goodidk about calling the shove, i think i probably do...getting a little under 2:1, i think your ahead here occasionally and getting good enough odds Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Looks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Looks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump.Yeah, make it $9 or $10 pre, fold to the shove on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Preflop is standard. Automatic. I'm doing this like 90% of the time. Man, that flop is tough. I'm not sure. My sense is that this is a pair+OESD, but it very well could be two pair or a weak king. Or just a straight draw. I'd come up with a likely range and crunch the numbers through pokerstove, and do what the numbers tell me. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 JT or QT seems oh so possible. With bottom 2 next in line.... With KT I'd probably CRAI if I were him. That being said, I agree that I'd raise less PF and reluctantly fold the flop, but I do feel you might be ahead at the moment.BTW, Hi, I'm in strat Link to post Share on other sites
Craigdog 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 I folded the hand which was kinda automatic but I could not figure out what the guys range was to call preflop and then push like. Looking back the raise to $11 does look too strong but thats the way it went down.. ty for replys. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 i'm lazy but someone should stove this vsAK, AQ,AJ,AT, KQ, KJ, KT, t9...pretty much every pair + oesd it sounds like Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 i'm lazy but someone should stove this vsAK, AQ,AJ,AT, KQ, KJ, KT, t9...pretty much every pair + oesd it sounds likei think that is a pretty solid range.....someone stove this Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Since I'm apparently not lazy: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 103,950 games 0.005 secs 20,790,000 games/secBoard: Ks Jc QdDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 63.899% 58.46% 05.44% 60772 5650.50 { ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o }Hand 1: 36.101% 30.67% 05.44% 31877 5650.50 { AhQh } I added QT, QJ, JT to mikey's range. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ya...raise preflop is goodidk about calling the shove, i think i probably do...getting a little under 2:1, i think your ahead here occasionally and getting good enough oddsobv raise PF unless I have solid info on the villainLooks standard-ish to me, though I probably only go to $8-$9 pre. On the flop, I'm supremely annoyed, but I probably dump. Yeah, make it $9 or $10 pre, fold to the shove on the flop.my thoughts exactlyJT or QT seems oh so possible. With bottom 2 next in line.... With KT I'd probably CRAI if I were him. That being said, I agree that I'd raise less PF and reluctantly fold the flop, but I do feel you might be ahead at the moment.BTW, Hi, I'm in strat I can't see how we're ahead enough times to be calling this profitably. We need to know the villain here.Hi. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 I added QT, QJ, JT to mikey's range.How about TT+?He can easily have a set, right? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 i go to $8 pf and definitely fold the flop Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 How about TT+?He can easily have a set, right?Good call.Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 119,790 games 0.005 secs 23,958,000 games/secBoard: Ks Jc QdDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 36.114% 31.13% 04.98% 37294 5967.00 { AhQh }Hand 1: 63.886% 58.90% 04.98% 70562 5967.00 { TT+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o } It literally changes nothing, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 It literally changes nothing, lol.Weird. I guess adding in TT, which we dominate, but has outs against us (and there are a full 6 combos of) outweighs the AA (3 combos), KK (3), QQ (1) and JJ (3) that dominate us..Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
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