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[Neb41 0]

#Game No : 1960151892 ***** Hand History for Game 1960151892 *****$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Wednesday, April 27, 04:00:40 EDT 2005Table Table 12612 (Real Money)Seat 8 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 3: stevenfong ( $38.5 )Seat 8: bigstack41 ( $51 )Seat 6: HiPsi ( $8 )Seat 7: csfernando ( $60.75 )Seat 9: RippedUp ( $18.5 )Seat 1: Turncardfour ( $26 )Seat 2: Mungb3an ( $14.75 )Seat 5: narao333 ( $13.75 )Seat 10: cats44me ( $17.57 )Seat 4: muflon ( $24.5 )cats44me posts small blind [$0.25].Turncardfour posts big blind [$0.5].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to bigstack41 [ 6s 6h ]Mungb3an calls [$0.5].stevenfong calls [$0.5].muflon folds.narao333 calls [$0.5].HiPsi calls [$0.5].csfernando calls [$0.5].bigstack41 raises [$1].cats44me calls [$0.75].Turncardfour folds.Mungb3an calls [$0.5].stevenfong calls [$0.5].narao333 calls [$0.5].HiPsi raises [$1].csfernando calls [$1].>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.bigstack41 calls [$0.5].cats44me calls [$0.5].Mungb3an calls [$0.5].stevenfong calls [$0.5].narao333 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 2h, 8h ]cats44me checks.Mungb3an checks.>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.stevenfong checks.narao333 checks.HiPsi bets [$0.5].csfernando folds.bigstack41 raises [$1].cats44me calls [$1].Mungb3an calls [$1].stevenfong folds.narao333 raises [$1.5].Tell a friend about PartyPoker.com and earn $50 & 1000 Party Points. Your friend receives $25!HiPsi calls [$1].>You have options at Table 13198 Table!.bigstack41 raises [$1].>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.>You have options at Table 13198 Table!.cats44me calls [$1].Mungb3an calls [$1].narao333 calls [$0.5].>You have options at Table 13198 Table!.>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.HiPsi calls [$0.5].** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]cats44me checks.>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.Mungb3an bets [$1].narao333 calls [$1].HiPsi calls [$1].bigstack41 raises [$2].cats44me folds.Mungb3an raises [$2].narao333 raises [$3].HiPsi calls [$3].bigstack41 calls [$2].Mungb3an calls [$1].** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]>You have options at Table 12724 Table!.Mungb3an bets [$1].narao333 raises [$2].HiPsi is all-In [$0.5]bigstack41 calls [$2].Mungb3an raises [$2].narao333 raises [$2].bigstack41 calls [$2].Mungb3an calls [$1].>You have options at Table 13198 Table!.narao333 shows [ Ah, 5h ] a flush, ace high.HiPsi doesn't show [ Qs, Kd ] a pair of nines.bigstack41 shows [ 6s, 6h ] a full house, Sixes full of nines.Mungb3an shows [ 8s, 9s ] a full house, Nines full of eights.Mungb3an wins $10.5 from side pot #1 with a full house, Nines full of eights.Mungb3an wins $38 from the main pot with a full house, Nines full of eights.Game #1960158271 starts.i think this is a bad beta could i have avoided it ?

[allinbluff35 0]

do the same thing I said in your other post

[tskillz187 0]

i dont like this raise preflop, maybe im wrong

[Vade 0]

Let's try this...Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [6s], [6h]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (22 SB) [6c], [2h], [8h] (7 players)SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (21 BB) [9d] (5 players)SB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.River: (37 BB) [9h] (4 players)UTG bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.Final Pot: 49 BB

[tskillz187 0]

3 bet the river

[Vade 0]

I'm kind of "eh" on the preflop raise. I don't love it but I don't hate it either with all of the donks in the pot.Cap the flop-goodCap the turn-goodThe river was capped for you-also fineOh, and don't post results!This hand is a bad beat, I don't really see anything wrong with it other then the possible preflop raise, which is debatable

[Vade 0]

3 bet the river

Yeah, actually that makes sense, I missed that somehow.

[tskillz187 0]

you dont think he should 3 bet that river? calls 2 cold, calls 2 more cold, not that it would have changed results but i think you have to 3 bet the rivernevermind.

[Scott3705 0]

For my own knowledge because I'm not a big limit player. The OP's two posts have been about having two pair river his set. Why would he cap this river if it seems very likely with that many people betting that hard at the pot that some one must have hit a 9's full boat?

[Absolute 0]

that pot is ****ing huge

[tskillz187 0]

it is likely that someone could have hit trips, had a smaller boat, and flushes, i think he should be 3 betting in this situation

[Neb41 0]

aright the 1st mistake u guys see is the preflop raise:i love building big pots with small pocketpairs in position id wouldve made it 4 bets but i didnt want to shot anyone out . The reason i like build huge pots is cause u have to hit a set to improve to a winning anyway and as a result of the huge pot you get ppl to call the flop with just overs(like that guy with KQ) and theye are Drawing dead.

[Vade 0]

aright the 1st mistake u guys see is the preflop raise:i love building big pots with small pocketpairs in position  id wouldve made it 4 bets but i didnt want to shot anyone out . The reason i like  build huge pots is cause  u have to hit a set to improve to a winning  anyway and as a result of the huge pot you get ppl to call the flop with just overs(like that guy with KQ) and theye are Drawing dead.

That's not a good idea, because even fools are allowed to have big pairs every once in a while. Raise, and just call a three bet is okay.Out of position just limp

[MasterK 0]

you should've limped PF. You have the whole field in and your getting good oddds to hit your set. If you had a bigger pair like 88 or 99 then you could raise to pad teh pot. You needed to threebet that river.MasterK out

[Neb41 0]

it doesnt matter if they have big pairs thats the point: if yu have AA and theres 6 bets in the pot and u get 3 bets back to you mbee u can fold on a 6 8 2 flop but if theres 15 bets in the middle ure going to the end. I HAVE TO IMPROVE TO WIN ANYWAY so i want to make sure that people will pay off when i do and then chase.

[tskillz187 0]

it doesnt matter if they have big pairs thats the point:  if yu have AA and theres 6 bets in the pot and u get  3 bets back to you mbee u can fold on a 6 8 2 flop  but if theres 15 bets in the middle ure going to the end. I HAVE  TO IMPROVE TO WIN ANYWAY so i want to make sure that people will pay off when i do and then chase.

I dont like this strategy one bit, build the pot so draws have odds to call you? That just doesnt make much sense to me, see it cheap, fold if it doesnt improve, bet raise the whole way if it does. You seem to be playing your PP backwards preflop your other post youy need to 3 bet to isolate the raiser when you have 88 and now you should limp with so many in the pot.

[tskillz187 0]

and please change your signature, after purchasing that book i have since hidden it out of embarrasment for me and tj

[wrto4556 0]

The raise preflop is fine. Not only do you *almost* have enough odds to hit your set....which makes raising profitable, you can use the control of the hand to get a free card on the turn if you flop unfavorable.This is a rare case, however. Don't raise all the time, and bearing your postflop skills, I would say never.I'm rambling, no offense, but until your postflop skills sharpen you should just limp preflop.3-bet the river.

[Neb41 0]

what are u gaging my post flop skills on ?

[JaysonWeber 0]

what  are u gaging my post flop skills on ?

Math I believe... If You're referring to WRTO's above post about Raising being correct here.... In this very rare instance...

[wrto4556 0]

what  are u gaging my post flop skills on ?

Not raising the river with boats full.

[Neb41 0]

what  are u gaging my post flop skills on ?

Not raising the river with boats full.

i almost always do but i had reason to believe i was beat here ( i though this paticular opponent needed a house to be playing this aggresively and the only fulls i beat were 22 and 2-9 and he wouldnt play 92 so theres 1 boat i beat vs the boats i loose to being 96-(this one is unlikely), 88, 98 or even 99 for quads)and and saved 2 bets by not raising the river he wouldve reraised with the nuts.

[Neb41 0]

what  are u gaging my post flop skills on ?

Not raising the river with boats full.

i almost always do but i had reason to believe i was beat here ( i though this paticular opponent needed a house to be playing this aggresively and the only fulls i beat were 22 and 2-9 and he wouldnt play 92 so theres 1 boat i beat vs the boats i loose to being 96-(this one is unlikely), 88, 98 or even 99 for quads)and and saved 2 bets by not raising the river he wouldve reraised with the nuts.

this clearly isnt true as the river was capped anyway. but lets say the opponent with the flush is somewhat thinking i f i raise utg will cap he may fold but this way my just call alows utg to reraise trap the flush for another bet ended up he gave up 2 more since he capped ( i dont know y he did this).this is just an attempt to justify my play idk y but i had a feeling the utg player probly had me beat. :-)

[KDawgCometh 2]

nope, sorry dude, its soooo weak-tight to not raise the eriver. I don't see how you can have that strong of a read to not justify you not raising. Trust me when I say, raise it and reap the rewards