throwemaway 0 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I got moved to this table 2 orbits ago, thus have no reads on Villain. Haven't seen him do anything really.. This is a real simple question. What range of hands are you putting him on and are you calling or folding? This is obv a great board to semi bluff on and a great board for a pair to seePokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB (t18097)UTG (t14742)MP (t68546)Hero (t19405)Button (t11037)SB (t11770)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . UTG calls t1200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4500, 3 folds, UTG calls t3300.Flop: (t9625) , , (2 players)UTG bets t10117 (All-In), Hero Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Fold fold fold fold fold.If I had to guess, he has 77 or overs with a flush draw. Regardless, I don't see how you can call at this stage with only Ace high Q kicker. Nice bet. Next hand. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 definitely looks like a mid-pair. GG villain if you had actually raised w/ a high pair. Looks like he pulled a weirdly-executed stop-n-go. Move on... even if you're ahead, I would think most of the time you're not ahead by much. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 this play gets me everytime.It takes pos advantage awayWould it makes sense with stacks to put a smaller or bigger raise in preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I had called an shove on a TT5 flop with AQ yesterday and the guy showed 92.I'm really really tempted to call.In fact, i'm going against the grain and saying call, i really think he could be bluffing here. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 this play gets me everytime.It takes pos advantage awayWould it makes sense with stacks to put a smaller or bigger raise in preflop?Good to see you back, if only for a few posts! You are dearly missed lolI'm not sure a smaller/bigger raise does here...My standard raise after a limper is between 3.5-4x BB..It usually does the job to isolate the limper. If you could provide support to why a smaller/bigger raise is better here, I'd be interested. I'm still undecided on this hand, on whether Villains play is good and whether I should be calling or not Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 obv, I'm rusty.But if we raise more we take this play away from him.Yes, it gets us more committed (I'm even thinking we shove because I don't see us folding preflop now) but it makes it tough for villain to do this, or call preflop for that matter. And if we min-raise we have an easier laydown post flop while probably reducing the chance villain shoves, given he has more left if he c/folds the flop.IMO, the pot size & his stack size leaves villain 1 play. I think to the extent you fold better hands or call when drawing 25% at best and the pot = his stack < M(7) I'd have to say his play is good. I think you are behind his range as I suspect he debated whether to reshove preflop or wait for safe-ish flop. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted December 24, 2007 Author Share Posted December 24, 2007 obv, I'm rusty.But if we raise more we take this play away from him.Yes, it gets us more committed (I'm even thinking we shove because I don't see us folding preflop now) but it makes it tough for villain to do this, or call preflop for that matter. And if we min-raise we have an easier laydown post flop while probably reducing the chance villain shoves, given he has more left if he c/folds the flop.IMO, the pot size & his stack size leaves villain 1 play. I think to the extent you fold better hands or call when drawing 25% at best and the pot = his stack < M(7) I'd have to say his play is good. I think you are behind his range as I suspect he debated whether to reshove preflop or wait for safe-ish flop.I feel like shoving is a bit too much of an overbet and if we make that play, we only get called by hands that crush us..Maybe we opt for 4.5 or 5x? I dunno?Limping feels soooo weak..People are still bad at these stages of 4.40s and limp too many hands.. I think its a must raise, esp at a 6 handed table Link to post Share on other sites
jethrodull 0 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 from what i've seen, he is limping with either middle pair or AA, calls a raise again with middle pair or AA...I think if he has a bigger pair non AA, he'd reraise allin to protect against you have Ax and hitting it ....AA he's not afraid of anything and figures if he pushes allin, you fold....middle pair - wants to get a cheap flop, you raise, he calls figuring he's already in the pot...flop comes pretty tasty to his middle pair, but again, doesn't want you to get there with your Ax so pushes allin..fold is good here with A high Link to post Share on other sites
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