Top Two Vs. Crai

[Citizen Erased 0]

No reads. Not really been analysing the play to be entirely honest as I'm multi-tabling.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownUTG ($9.30)MP ($4.95)Hero ($13.35)Button ($10.15)SB ($8.45)BB ($32.45)Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q. 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.95, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70.Flop: ($3.10) Q, A, J(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $1.85, Button calls $1.85, SB raises to $7.45, Hero...When I get Re-raised by the button I decided to fold if SB folds, and call if he does for the implied odds. Was that my first mistake?

[Acid_Knight 2]

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[Acid_Knight 2]

Was that my first mistake?

Betting too little on the flop

[AimHigher 0]

If this hand played out without the PF reraise from the button I would've said call, but SB is calling OOP against a raise and reraise and then check raising all in, button is smooth calling behind you.You cover both but the button is the one you'll be facing the sidepot for and the only hand in his range that calls here (and it would be a stupid call) is AK.Into the muck, with absolute disgust.

[Acid_Knight 2]

If this hand played out without the PF reraise from the button I would've said call, but SB is calling OOP against a raise and reraise and then check raising all in, button is smooth calling behind you.You cover both but the button is the one you'll be facing the sidepot for and the only hand in his range that calls here (and it would be a stupid call) is AK.Into the muck, with absolute disgust.

You do realize we're getting like 2-1 on a super draw heavy board with top two pair, right? So, you put the SB on exactly JJ and make a hero fold? Big mistake IMO, especially at these limits.

[AimHigher 0]

You do realize we're getting like 2-1 on a super draw heavy board with top two pair, right? So, you put the SB on exactly JJ and make a hero fold? Big mistake IMO, especially at these limits.

I hadn't put SB on a hand other than that he was strong, I was considering his range to be a set or two pair. I was concerned about the fact that the button was smooth calling behind on this board after reraising preflop. I can't think of many hands we beat in his range that do that. Isn't there a very strong likelyhood he is coming along for the ride and that he has us beat? Also its impossible for either of them to have any kind of strong combidraws seeing as the only non-ace cards out there are both clubs.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I hadn't put SB on a hand other than that he was strong, I was considering his range to be a set or two pair. I was concerned about the fact that the button was smooth calling behind on this board after reraising preflop. I can't think of many hands we beat in his range that do that. Isn't there a very strong likelyhood he is coming along for the ride and that he has us beat? Also its impossible for either of them to have any kind of strong combidraws seeing as the only non-ace cards out there are both clubs.

The button easily has AK here like every time. Lots of people even call with KK in that spot. I'm almost never worried about the button after we half-pot donk into him on that coordinated of a board and he flats it with 1 person still to act.Axcc is a huge combo draw. There are just tons of draws including pair + gutshots and flush draws and gutshot + flush draws and everything inbetween. If the SB has us beaten, he shows JJ. Every other hand in his range is a hand we are ahead of. The button is almost certainly behind our hand as well unless he got suicidal and flopped top or middle set and decided to slowplay.This really is a no brainer call here. WTF are you doing calling reraises with AQ if you're not going to get it in after flopping top 2?

[trystero 0]

Calllllll for all of the reasons above

[AimHigher 0]

The button easily has AK here like every time. Lots of people even call with KK in that spot. I'm almost never worried about the button after we half-pot donk into him on that coordinated of a board and he flats it with 1 person still to act.Axcc is a huge combo draw. There are just tons of draws including pair + gutshots and flush draws and gutshot + flush draws and everything inbetween. If the SB has us beaten, he shows JJ. Every other hand in his range is a hand we are ahead of. The button is almost certainly behind our hand as well unless he got suicidal and flopped top or middle set and decided to slowplay.This really is a no brainer call here. WTF are you doing calling reraises with AQ if you're not going to get it in after flopping top 2?

The reason why I am so concerned about the button is because you do see the smooth call at the .05/.10.Obviously you are a lot better than me and maybe sometimes I can be a bit weak tight, but you have to realise the typical players at these stakes are at best as compitent as I am. That means they pretty much suck.Maybe he shows up with AK here but if the SB has a combidraw there is really only one ace left in the deck. Against their ranges is our hand equity really more than 0.33 ?

[Acid_Knight 2]

The reason why I am so concerned about the button is because you do see the smooth call at the .05/.10.Obviously you are a lot better than me and maybe sometimes I can be a bit weak tight, but you have to realise the typical players at these stakes are at best as compitent as I am. That means they pretty much suck.Maybe he shows up with AK here but if the SB has a combidraw there is really only one ace left in the deck. Against their ranges is our hand equity really more than 0.33 ?

You can't just make up equity numbers without assigning ranges of hands to your opponents. The odds that the button flat called with a hand we beat like KK or AK or AT or TT or KQ or anything is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chances that he's got the case AA, the case QQ or JJ AND decided to slowplay it.This hand play itself after the flop comes out and the consideration of folding is the defintion of weak tight IMO.

[Acid_Knight 2]

What do you do if you're the SB and you called preflop with:AJ/AK/AQ/AT/QJ/KQ/KJ/Txcc/Kxcc/Axcc/T9....Do you see why folding is never a consideration here?Hands we lose to:AA/QQ/JJ/KTHands we beat:Everything else

[Zach6668 513]

Does anyone not lead this flop?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Does anyone not lead this flop?

I think it's a big mistake not to lead this flop. You'll get raised by AK way more than you should and you can't risk letting it get checked around with 2 opponents.

[AimHigher 0]

What do you do if you're the SB and you called preflop with:AJ/AK/AQ/AT/QJ/KQ/KJ/Txcc/Kxcc/Axcc/T9....Do you see why folding is never a consideration here?Hands we lose to:AA/QQ/JJ/KTHands we beat:Everything else

I think so, could you outline for me what you consider the button's range to be as well though?

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think so, could you outline for me what you consider the button's range to be as well though?

Knowing nothing about him and he RR'd in position, I'll go ahead and give him AT+, 88+ and maybe even some KQ or KJ type of crap.

[Zach6668 513]

I think it's a big mistake not to lead this flop. You'll get raised by AK way more than you should and you can't risk letting it get checked around with 2 opponents.

Ya, that's one of those adjustments I find hard between LHE and NL. In LHE, this is a c/r 10000% of the time, but in NL, there's way more risk of it getting checked through, and it can cost you way more.

[AimHigher 0]

Knowing nothing about him and he RR'd in position, I'll go ahead and give him AT+, 88+ and maybe even some KQ or KJ type of crap.

I think you are being uber liberal as it's been a long time since you played in games like .05/.10, but regardless I am going to study everything you have said in this thread several times.Also just realized this is not full ring.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think you are being uber liberal as it's been a long time since you played in games like .05/.10, but regardless I am going to study everything you have said in this thread several times.Also just realized this is not full ring.

I guess maybe the lower stakes and lesser skilled players would raise a similar range becuase they overvalue the hands while as you go up in limits, players raise more hands becuase they have position and realize the value that position alone adds to a hand?I dunno. The range might be a little wide, but even if it's just AJs+, TT+ and KQs you're still breaking your wrists getting chips into this pot.

[AimHigher 0]

I guess maybe the lower stakes and lesser skilled players would raise a similar range becuase they overvalue the hands while as you go up in limits, players raise more hands becuase they have position and realize the value that position alone adds to a hand?I dunno. The range might be a little wide, but even if it's just AJs+, TT+ and KQs you're still breaking your wrists getting chips into this pot.

Yeah, I think I need to do some reading on shorthanded play. I had thought the hand was full ring so I was tightening his range down considerably and obviously from what you have said their ranges widen right up at six-max.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

call flopbet something meaningful on the flopcall all in on flopwin money

[NoBBiR 0]

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[Temporary Nuts 1]

You're all donkeys. Everyone who calls is a donkey.I shove

[sactownjoey 0]

Players at these limits generally and consistently make two errors (and since you said you didn't have a read on any of them, I think you should take them into account):1. They overvalue hands. Anything with paint or suited looks good preflop. The SB post flop shove screams top/top to me. Pairs after the flop get played to the end a lot more than they should. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the button had KK and still called your bet.2. They do not understand position. They only see the cards in front of them and whatever is on the board and bet based on that alone.