simo_8ball 1 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Poker StarsPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $98.50UTG+1: $218.85CO: $97.65Hero: $101.80SB: $270BB: $57.30Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8 T J T 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $10.5 (pot was $21), SB calls.Flop: 6 2 7 ($42, 3 players)SB checks, BB bets $35, Hero raises all-in $87.8, SB folds, BB calls all-in $8.3.Fold pre? Fold flop? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'll see the flop here for a 3-bet, especially with a third player in there. I don't think this flop has done much for our hand, but the pot's pretty big. I don't mind the way you played it. Hopefully our diamonds are live. Link to post Share on other sites
fitzinabox 0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 i hate the way u played it Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 i hate the way u played it lol******Preflop is standard.I fold flop but pushing can't be awful. Link to post Share on other sites
fitzinabox 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think it is time to announce i was the bb in this hand, lol. No big deal Simo, i hope you find 8oggo8 and bust him! Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 I fold flop but pushing can't be awful.Are you sure? How about if villain is fitzinabox, who holds KK with the K high flush draw?It's ok though, because I obv hit the straight.The funniest/worst/most ironic thing about this, is that Fitz told me there was a good $100pl game on stars that I should get in, and then shipped me $200 so I could buy in to it.The point is, I'm getting 2/1 to call the shove (ok, to put villain allin, same difference). Against a range of AAxx I'm ~44%.Against a range of AA** w/Ad, and KKBB w/Kd I'm 40%:http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5=The only way I can fold here is if villain has a higher pair AND a higher flush draw. Plus, given that I have 3 highish diamonds, it's less likely villain has suited diamonds.Can you give a range where I'm worse than 35%? Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Well looking at your cards it is hard to put fitz on a hand like T987 or JT98. 3-bet preflop leaves us the overpairs. Is fitz going all in on flop with and overpair no draws? Or with an OESD on a FD flop?I don't know i don't have any reads on fitz. I think there is a good chance that fitz is pushing with a real hand here seeing you left to act and the chance of SB going for a check-raise. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 Well looking at your cards it is hard to put fitz on a hand like T987 or JT98. 3-bet preflop leaves us the overpairs. Is fitz going all in on flop with and overpair no draws? Or with an OESD on a FD flop?I don't know i don't have any reads on fitz. I think there is a good chance that fitz is pushing with a real hand here seeing you left to act and the chance of SB going for a check-raise.How do you play AAJ3 rainbow in this hand? I would imagine you would repot preflop and shove the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Are you sure? How about if villain is fitzinabox, who holds KK with the K high flush draw?well if its fitz i fold pf Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 How do you play AAJ3 rainbow in this hand? I would imagine you would repot preflop and shove the flop.I am not repotting with AAJ3 rainbow and pushing on a draw heavy flop unless i am steaming. Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 fold preflop Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 fold preflopOpen fold on the button?Or fold to the reraise? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 I am not repotting with AAJ3 rainbow and pushing on a draw heavy flop unless i am steaming.When you can get 1/4 of your stack in preflop against someone potting the button with a HUGE range (probably around 40% of the hands folded to me there at a guess), and SB who is playing 80/20, you have a VERY easy shove there, and given that you've reraised preflop the flop shove is absolutely mandatory. Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Open fold on the button?Or fold to the reraise?fold to reraise obv. hand is too good to not bet, let alone open fold.edit: I think the fold or the call PF is marginal either way. I definitely fold on the flop because we're drawing to the non nuts with at least one of our outs dead. A non diamond 9 gives us the nuts, but that's not the best draw to get all our money in. Maybe I'm too weak/tight (weak/terrible), but I'd rather have a stronger draw. Link to post Share on other sites
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