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[bdc30 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 J J K UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: T 4 J ($1.5, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB raises to $3, BB calls, Hero raises to $15, SB calls, BB calls.Turn: T ($46.5, 3 players)SB bets $0.5, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $26.5, SB calls, BB calls all-in $5.River: A ($105.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $64.5, Sidepot 1: $41)SB bets $0.5, Hero raises all-in $25.5, SB calls.Results:Final pot: $156.5Ok, so I didn't raise preflop, we'll get that out of the way first...lol Otherwise, I have SB as 67/20/2 and BB as 60/15/1.25SB min raises the flop, BB cold calls, I repot, they both flat call- wtf?Turn is perfect for me, what do we read from SB's min lead, and BB's retarded min-raise? Let's pot it. SB flat calls, and BB is all in.Now on the river, I reeeeeally didn't want to see that ace, but we've gotten this far. SB min bets AGAIN. Is there value in the raise?

[craiger 0]

SB has 44 or a naked 10. You win this 98% of the time. BB probably has KQ. No matter what, the money goes in with your hand.

[craiger 0]

To add to my reply...There is a very good chance IMO one of these 2 guys just overplayed AA...in which case you hope it's the BB so you can at least win a big side pot. Maybe even KK or QQ, if you're lucky. This seems like a typical hi-lo hand where someone overplays AA and someone else overplays A2.

[bassplayer45459 0]

Call everytime unless ou are positive he has it...otherwise take some time to type in "nice hand donkey" , or "2 outs, unreal how bad you are" in the chat window before calling

[simo_8ball 1]

FFS raise this hand preflop.You played the rest fine.

[iggymcfly 0]

Seriously, I 4-bet this hand all-in preflop against some players. This is super-duper premium. It's one thing if you're in a loose/aggressive game where you know the CO or the Button's raising it 90% of the time here, but if people are playing passive, you definitely want to build a pot preflop.As far as the later streets, who cares what they have? Your hand's monstrous. Just get it in.

[BudBundy 0]

Am i seeing different cards here? KJJ6ds isn't "super premium" or "deffo raise preflop".I raise this OOP only at tight tables. I raise this from CO and button everytime its checked to me. You will miss so many flops and you will get cold called on so many flops that it will be ridiculously annoying to play this OOP at many tables.Don't hate limping. With those 2 at the table i definitely limp this preflop.Deffo raise river.

[simo_8ball 1]

Am i seeing different cards here? KJJ6ds isn't "super premium" or "deffo raise preflop".I raise this OOP only at tight tables. I raise this from CO and button everytime its checked to me. You will miss so many flops and you will get cold called on so many flops that it will be ridiculously annoying to play this OOP at many tables.Don't hate limping. With those 2 at the table i definitely limp this preflop.Deffo raise river.

Yeah, but you play 20/7 preflop (from what I remember). You play pretty tight, and pretty passive compared to myself and iggy.I'm running consistently at about 32/22, (up to 38/28 at a good table), and iggy is (at a guess) 38/18 or something like it.If you're limping this preflop you're leaving money on the table IMHO. KJJ6ds is a quality hand.

[BudBundy 0]

That's a matter of style.Being aggressive is very important in PLO as we all know. But there is a very thin line between spewing , playing recklessly and playing aggressively.I don't know a way to calculate which way makes more profit - limping or raising - but i am confident i can play this as profitably as you and iggy by limping more times than raising preflop OOP.

[bdc30 0]

Raising oop can be such a huge pain in the ass, that's why I rarely do it without a PREMIUM hand. Look at this one. Nice flop....Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $50.35CO: $61Button: $23.45SB: $29.35BB: $43.10Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K J K 8 Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: K A T ($7.25, 4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.Turn: 2 ($7.25, 4 players)BB bets $5.5, Hero calls, 2 folds.River: A ($18.25, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Results:Final pot: $18.25BB showed Qc Tc Jd AcHero mucks Kc Js Kd 8d

[IWANTTOBERICHDAMMIT 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 J J K UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: T 4 J ($1.5, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB raises to $3, BB calls, Hero raises to $15, SB calls, BB calls.Turn: T ($46.5, 3 players)SB bets $0.5, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $26.5, SB calls, BB calls all-in $5.River: A ($105.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $64.5, Sidepot 1: $41)SB bets $0.5, Hero raises all-in $25.5, SB calls.Results:Final pot: $156.5Ok, so I didn't raise preflop, we'll get that out of the way first...lol Otherwise, I have SB as 67/20/2 and BB as 60/15/1.25SB min raises the flop, BB cold calls, I repot, they both flat call- wtf?Turn is perfect for me, what do we read from SB's min lead, and BB's retarded min-raise? Let's pot it. SB flat calls, and BB is all in.Now on the river, I reeeeeally didn't want to see that ace, but we've gotten this far. SB min bets AGAIN. Is there value in the raise?

There are a ton of "playable" omaha hands your opponent could have had that beat your hand.If you raise you're only going to get called by a hand that beats you, most likely. Unless your playing against complete scrubs. I would call with 4's full on that flop.. not the way you were betting.

[iggymcfly 0]

Nah, I'm a little tighter than that. With all my HU play included I'm 36/21, but if I filter it for 4 players minimum, my stats move to 32/17. I will say though that I would be willing to lay 10:1 that the following statement is wrong:

I don't know a way to calculate which way makes more profit - limping or raising - but i am confident i can play this as profitably as you and iggy by limping more times than raising preflop OOP.

I'd guess that if I somehow got dealt KJJ6ds UTG+1 every single hand I played, against a refreshing group of players that played it just like a normal game, I'd probably average about 60 PTBB/100. It's a hugely profitable hand for a good player. The only way you can play this anywhere near as profitably with a limp is if your opponents are aggressive and they'll be raising the pot for you anyway. Playing in a raised pot here is very preferable to playing in a limped one.