waylander11 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Most of the time in a NL game you can buy in for at least 100 bets but in a lot of home games and some casino games they only let you buy in for 20-50 bets. I know Turningstone has a 100max 1-2NL game. Lets assume the table just opened and everyone buys in for 100. My question is do you change your style of play to suit the stack sizes? Do you play really tight because you can't make enough off of marginal hands? Can you play looser and make oversized raises knowing you can only lose 50 bets? Do you loosen up and try to build a stack to bully people? I know a big stack isn't as important in cash games but it scares a lot of live players to think they can lose it all in one hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Suited connectors and small pocket pairs lose tons of value, whereas hands like AT-AJ, KQ gain a lot. Be more open to play hands that generally suffer from reverse implied odds with deeper stacks because draws play far worse on half stacks and implied odds are a lot worse. Preflop play becomes significantly more prominent as the stacks grow shorter as a greater percentage of your stack ends up going in preflop. I think making oversized raises is generally bad, and even worse in this situation because by the same logic that "you can only lose 50 bets" gives someone reason to call with a marginal hand using the exact same logic. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Browser broken, sorry for the triple post. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Browser broken, sorry for the triple post. Link to post Share on other sites
waylander11 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Suited connectors and small pocket pairs lose tons of value, whereas hands like AT-AJ, KQ gain a lot. Be more open to play hands that generally suffer from reverse implied odds with deeper stacks because draws play far worse on half stacks and implied odds are a lot worse. Preflop play becomes significantly more prominent as the stacks grow shorter as a greater percentage of your stack ends up going in preflop. I think making oversized raises is generally bad, and even worse in this situation because by the same logic that "you can only lose 50 bets" gives someone reason to call with a marginal hand using the exact same logic.I agree with you on the first part. When i said make oversized bets what i guess i really meant was play your draws harder in an attempt to push people off hands. Obviously if you have 300 bets behind you you're going to want to play hands more cautiously. I know some pros on full tilt like to buy in short and push draws knowing that they can't get raised off of the hand, trying to get a lot of equity out of bad hands by forcing a fold. First off, do you think that could work and second could it work in this setting. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Another thing to remember are that position inst quite as important.Also in terms of preflop raises I would generally make them smaller since your opponents wont have as good of implied odds to set mine or play SCs against you. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I agree with you on the first part. When i said make oversized bets what i guess i really meant was play your draws harder in an attempt to push people off hands. Obviously if you have 300 bets behind you you're going to want to play hands more cautiously. I know some pros on full tilt like to buy in short and push draws knowing that they can't get raised off of the hand, trying to get a lot of equity out of bad hands by forcing a fold. First off, do you think that could work and second could it work in this setting.We're mostly not playing hands that make draws, and when we do we can seldom get our villains to fold top pair. We might be shoving anyway, but mostly because we're pot-committed and our steal attempt is cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
waylander11 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Another thing to remember are that position inst quite as important.Also in terms of preflop raises I would generally make them smaller since your opponents wont have as good of implied odds to set mine or play SCs against you.I don't really understand why position loses any importance, its still 10 handed. Can you explain that? I think you make a good point about the preflop raises though. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I don't really understand why position loses any importance, its still 10 handed. Can you explain that? I think you make a good point about the preflop raises though.Position is still important just not as important because the larger % of your stack is in the pot preflop, the less play there is after the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Also in terms of preflop raises I would generally make them smaller since your opponents wont have as good of implied odds to set mine or play SCs against you.i disagree.goodluck. Link to post Share on other sites
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