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#21 Zach6668

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:31 AM

View PostAcid_Knight, on Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 11:41 PM, said:

Top pair and FD isn't any different than 2nd or 3rd pair and a FD if you put your opponent on only one pair. Ok, I know it's a little different, but for arguments sake, it's the same.Their bets are weak. If I thought one had a set, I'd play it slower. You should have a ton of FE and you should like never play a combo draw this slowly.
Sure it is.On an AcQh5h board, we have Ah6h vs AdKd, for example, we've got 45.455% equity.Now switch it up a bit, AhQc5h, with Qh7h vs AdKd, we've got 49.293% equity.Meh, it's only 4%, but it makes a difference to our overall EV of playing fast.
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#22 David_Nicoson

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:06 AM

View PostZach6668, on Sunday, December 2nd, 2007, 9:31 AM, said:

Sure it is.On an AcQh5h board, we have Ah6h vs AdKd, for example, we've got 45.455% equity.Now switch it up a bit, AhQc5h, with Qh7h vs AdKd, we've got 49.293% equity.Meh, it's only 4%, but it makes a difference to our overall EV of playing fast.
I went through the same thought process.
  • No way AK. It's more out!
  • Bleh, it's only 4%.
  • Maybe there's a different way to express this makes it look like it matters.
It's 1.2 : 1 vs. 1.03 : 1, FWIW.If we put the whole 468 in on the flop, how much do we be lose (speaking marginally):top pair + flush draw vs. better top pair:468 - (0.45455)(468)(2) = $42.54middle pair + flush draw vs. top pair:468 - (0.49293)(468)(2) = $6.62for a difference of $35.92. If we thought we were in a nearly break-even situation, then this would be a big deal. That is, our bluff has to work much more often in the top pair case. At least, that's how I would spin it if I were arguing this in court. The chance that TPTK snaps us off for all that on the flop seems pretty small. We're much more likely to face a set or two-pair if we really stack off, so it turns out to be irrelevant. If there were two raises before the flop, I think it matters (because it's much more reasonable for the villain to stack off with one pair) a lot. Here, not so much.

Edited by David_Nicoson, 02 December 2007 - 08:10 AM.

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