Moneyball16 0 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Villain is new to table so no reads.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)MP1 ($97.75)MP2 ($89.60)CO ($60)Button ($144.15)Moneyball ($192.95)BB ($87.50)UTG ($88.60)UTG+1 ($59)Preflop: Moneyball is SB with A , K . CO posts a blind of $1. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Moneyball raises to $5.5, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4.50, CO folds.Flop: ($13) 4 , 2 , 4 (2 players)Moneyball bets $6.5, UTG+1 calls $6.50.This is my standard flop bet size on this flop texture FWIW.Turn: ($26) A (2 players)Moneyball checks, UTG+1 checks.I dont see anything worse calling so I checked.River: ($26) 2 (2 players)Moneyball bets $12, UTG+1 raises to $47, Moneyball?Should I even bet initially? I think I probably have the best hand after he checks the turn, but again Im not sure an unknown calls here enough with a low PP to make betting better than c/c. What about my bet size? Should I bet less to try to get a call from a low PP or bet more to get more value? What should do when he goes allin? I cant really put him on a fh since he l/called in ep preflop, but its still possible and its kinda hard to put him on a flush after he checks the turn. Also some passive players with poor hand reading skills wouldn't raise this river with just a flush. Is he bluffing with probably a low PP here enough to call? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I don't like the river bet size.In fact, I check/call there, as I'm not really sure what he can have that we beat, that he will call with. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I would bet the turn there but i'm not so sure on it.I suppose that as he limped and called a raise PF then called a low flop he's likely to have an overpair and might call a river value bet thinking you missed the ace. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I usually check/call/fold three pair, depending. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 your bet sizing sucks in this hand.i like the turn check. check/call the river or make a real bet/fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 What hands would call your flop bet that you can beat on the river? The flush draw got there on the turn, and any 4 or 2 beats you. A x raising you on the river? Doubtful IMO. Am I misreading something here? That river bet makes no sense to me. Check call or check fold, definately dont bet IMO. Its a (relatively) small pot onthe river before you bet, so I wouldnt have much problem letting it go to a decent sized bet (I might pay off some small probing bet villain made). Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Flop bet size sucks ass. I don't care what hand you have there. The bet sucks ass. Bet at least $8 or check.I like the turn check.I don't like any line on the river. If you bet big he folds everything you beat. If you bet small he can read it as weak and bluff.I think check/call or check/fold works best. I probably check/call. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Bet more on the flop.Turn check is fine.C/C river seems best. He really can't pay you with anything if you bet. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Agree with most here. I like your preflop reraise, but don't let up on the flop. That's so weaksauce. Bet it for real at like $10-13. Giving him the weak bet OOP screams "Take this pot away from me!" If this is your standard bet OOP then stop making it your standard bet. You are probably playing hands for too many streets and making more tough decisions because of it.Turn check is pretty good, probably the best choice.River is check/call. Your hand is deceiving in strength and villain has seen you take a weaksauce line, he's definitely betting hands that you beat. If you bet the river, don't bet so weak. Bigger bets! Especially after such a strong reraise preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 bet bigger on flop, checking turn is good. c/c river. since you bet and got raised, i think you can fold to the full house and you might be folding the best hand but i really don't think you shoulda bet the river.if your opponent is smart he's raising river with anything because he can be pretty sure you don't have a 2 or 4 (you raised preflop), which is why you don't bet the river. Link to post Share on other sites
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