Aa, Deep

[cwik 0]

Alright villain is 18/5/infi/18, but with so little hands, I donno if it counts. No Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $1/$25 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $125.30CO: $383Hero: $450.15SB: $146.40BB: $448Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $9, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds.Flop: :D ($21, 2 players)BB bets $15, Hero raises to $44, BB raises to $137, Hero calls.Turn: ($295, 2 players)BB is all-in $302, Hero ...Do we like something different on the flop better?

[Royal_Tour 0]

wow, as much as I like aces, and as often as you'l be ahead with them on the flop.I'm not so sure i make the raise on the flop.You have position, and now he comes firing out at you after smooth calling. if he has AK, i let him hang himself, Its the only hand we beat that someone might play so aggro. But I'm not going to force myself to play a similar style and call his turn push, and risk being up against Ad,Jd or the more obvious choice, which is a set leading into the raiser hoping u have AK.I dont know what the stats mean, but ur sample is tiny, so he;s a unknown in a sense. I like keeping 1 pair pots small and in control.his 3 bet scares me a lot, but like i said, only hand you get paid off with that u crush is AK.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think it's fine. Muck the turn. I'd often get it in on a non-diamond turn since there are so many draws he plays like this.

[LJB723 0]

Wow, sick spot. Royal is obviously right about AK being the only action hand we beat, but does he have that given preflop? Flat-calling a button raise from the BB with AK, surely a re-raise would be more likely?Flop action is nasty, I raise his bet too and puke when he raises, only hands I see doing that are the obvious set and maybe AdJ/QdSo...given that in-depth analysis of the hand, I timeout, and next hand say the phone rang and my grandmother was on fire

[Metternich 0]

Think this is a set or a serious combo draw (that hit that 8d) a lot, don't think AK is ever doing this after they see that diamond hit. I puke and fold

[Snamuh 0]

I think it's fine. Muck the turn. I'd often get it in on a non-diamond turn since there are so many draws he plays like this.

I agree with the turn logic. I'm also not sure if I raise the flop or not.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Please explain to me why you wouldn't raise this flop? You'd raise with AK or KQ or a set or a big draw. Raise with AA.

[nomad_monad 0]

Please explain to me why you wouldn't raise this flop? You'd raise with AK or KQ or a set or a big draw. Raise with AA.

You've got "Mathematics of Poker," right?Don't remember for sure, but in a deep stack situation like this, I think Chen does some math to demonstrate that AA would much prefer to call and then raise a blanked turn when facing a big draw. (i'm ignoring the set possibility here since the presence of combo-draw in villain's hand range is what's really dispositive in our decision-making process)

[Royal_Tour 0]

You've got "Mathematics of Poker," right?Don't remember for sure, but in a deep stack situation like this, I think Chen does some math to demonstrate that AA would much prefer to call and then raise a blanked turn when facing a big draw. (i'm ignoring the set possibility here since the presence of combo-draw in villain's hand range is what's really dispositive in our decision-making process)

I should get more poker books. Might make my points more valid when i string together reasons.

[David_Nicoson 1]

A K x. Discuss.

[Royal_Tour 0]

A K x. Discuss.

already thought about that, but it doesnt add up. why would he only call preflop but 3-bet that hand on the flop?does the King showing up really tickle him enoough that he wants all his chips in the middle? a player that aggro with AK would probably be re-poping PF, IMO... I've been wrong before though.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Looking at the hand again, i'm almost certain its a set. possibly 6,4s if he is LAGGy enough,.

[tskillz187 0]

I think it's fine. Muck the turn. I'd often get it in on a non-diamond turn since there are so many draws he plays like this.

Yes.

Please explain to me why you wouldn't raise this flop? You'd raise with AK or KQ or a set or a big draw. Raise with AA.

Yes.

A K x. Discuss.

Meh, that would suck but I think it's the least likely, sometimes you fold the winner, shrug.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Board: 4d 6h Kd 8dDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 15.702%  15.70% 00.00% 	            76 	        0.00   { AcAh }Hand 1: 84.298%  84.30% 00.00% 	           408 	        0.00   { 66, 44, Ad6d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 7d5d, AdKc, AdKh }

[Acid_Knight 2]

A K x. Discuss.

Least likely hand out of all draws/sets. Also happens to be the ONLY hand that we can beat.HOORAY FOR FOLDING!!!!

[mln_falcon 0]

Yeah I'm likely not raising this flop. Look at the stack sizes. Waiting for a safe turn is ok, because we are deep. And what 3 bets flop after you raise, this is such slightly ahead/way behind situation, we're never ahead by a lot here unless villain is a total idiot. Calling on flop disguises your hand an allows you to get extra value from weaker hands when ahead and lose less when behind. Puke and fold turn as played.

[TB17 0]

easy fold on the turn. I raise this flop quite a bit. it really sucks to get 3 bet tho.

[krup24 0]

this is why we can/do play a variety of hands to raises in a deepstacked game. my only question for the panel is what if turn is NOT a diamond or a king. how bout a total blank like the 2 of spades? If villian pushes do we fold/call?If villian checks what if our action check behind/bet($?)/shove/open farrel?

[IAGTTAYM 0]

Looks good to me, now fold.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Do we like something different on the flop better?

A bigger raise. But at this turn, we have to assume the expression in your avatar and dump it. AdKx .... ? Yeah, sometimes. But not enough to call here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

A bigger raise.

Why raise bigger on the flop?

[mtdesmoines 2]

Why raise bigger on the flop?

Meh. You're right. I did the maths wrong when I posted that.

[Sheiky 0]

Sell your account to Sorel Mizzi for 10% of the hand winnings. Problem sorted.

[Willing 2 Die 0]

I would call the flop for pot control, re-evaluate turn and decypher his bet timing/ go with reads to make call/ raise at that time.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Are we stacking off if the turn bricks? It seems like we waited for a safe turn card.