Minor Preflop Issue

[DonkSlayer 1]

I've been mixing in $1BB SHNLH with $2 BB FRNLH, so maybe that's clouding my judgment on whether this is totally standard. No reads except for the 2 players' stack sizes.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($147.35)UTG ($241)UTG+1 ($44.20)MP1 ($202)MP2 ($325.15)CO ($103.60)Button ($37)SB ($198)Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 7. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, Button raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero folds..Final Pot: $7

[Royal_Tour 0]

easy fold.he has 27 left behind. if he had 130 left and was very TAG with his preflop raising hands, than i would consider set mining.but as is, its standard fold IMO

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Depends.Many will say "Standard" - do you want to play a middle pair in what is likely at best an out of position race against a couple of short stackers?Personally, I don't mind playing mid and even sometimes small pairs out of position if I have a read and think I can out play the opposition after the Flop. Given the short stacks there isn't enough implied here to make the call.I guess it is a Fold.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Depends.Many will say "Standard" - do you want to play a middle pair in what is likely at best an out of position race against a couple of short stackers?Personally, I don't mind playing mid and even sometimes small pairs out of position if I have a read and think I can out play the opposition after the Flop. Given the short stacks there isn't enough implied here to make the call.I guess it is a Fold.

He is also OOP to a short stack, in what looks like it will become a all in on the flop. so his best bet is to raise or fold.see all 5 cards, or none at all.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

He is also OOP to a short stack, in what looks like it will become a all in on the flop. so his best bet is to raise or fold.see all 5 cards, or none at all.

Agreed.There is no opportunity to "out play the opposition" after the Flop since it is going in anyway.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Hero ($147.35)Button ($37)

SO SO SO read dependent. Push or fold, depending on who we're dealing with.

[DonkSlayer 1]

SO SO SO read dependent. Push or fold, depending on who we're dealing with.

Villain who raised is clearly committed even if I just call. If I push, short stack who limped is now essentially getting 3:1 to come along, which can only be worse for me, right?

[mtdesmoines 2]

Villain who raised is clearly committed even if I just call. If I push, short stack who limped is now essentially getting 3:1 to come along, which can only be worse for me, right?

Yeah, I really don't mind the fold. I essentially said the same thing, any call prices in villain to push almost any flop he's doing this with pre-flop, so if you want to call, you might as well push.

[dms26 3]

It looks pretty standard, you can't flat call because of his stack. If you push he's calling and you're probably an 80-20 favorite occasionally, a coin flip most often but a 20-80 dog way more often than a favorite. I don't think he has a low pair or a weak ace often enough to make it worth it.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

It looks pretty standard, you can't flat call because of his stack. If you push he's calling and you're probably an 80-20 favorite occasionally, a coin flip most often but a 20-80 dog way more often than a favorite. I don't think he has a low pair or a weak ace often enough to make it worth it.

...and don't forget, there are 2 Villains. UTG+1 called out of position.

[Dictius 0]

Easy fold against shortstacks, you are either way behind or flipping imo.

[David_Nicoson 1]

[x] Fold preflop. Your hand isn't worth the cost to play out of position.[ ] Raise more preflop. You have to consider implied odds.[ ] Get all in.[ ] Bet more on the flop.[x] Fold. You're either way way behind or slightly ahead.[ ] Call. When villains give you a good price to draw to the nuts in position, accept their offer.[ ] Call as played. You're pot-committed against his range.[ ] Don't bet or raise. Hands that you beat fold and hands that are ahead profit.[ ] You can't beat what he's representing. Fold.[ ] The amount you have contributed to the pot is irrelevant. It's a sunk cost.[ ] Look out! He has a gun! [ ] There's not waiting for a better spot in a cash game. The better spot will be there regardless of what you do in this spot. If you're afraid of going broke, then you're in too big of a game.

[mtdesmoines 2]

[ ] Look out! He has a gun!

LOL. Sorry. It never gets old. And it's never too soon.

[trystero 0]

[x] Fold preflop. Your hand isn't worth the cost to play out of position.[ ] Raise more preflop. You have to consider implied odds.[ ] Get all in.[ ] Bet more on the flop.[x] Fold. You're either way way behind or slightly ahead.[ ] Call. When villains give you a good price to draw to the nuts in position, accept their offer.[ ] Call as played. You're pot-committed against his range.[ ] Don't bet or raise. Hands that you beat fold and hands that are ahead profit.[ ] You can't beat what he's representing. Fold.[ ] The amount you have contributed to the pot is irrelevant. It's a sunk cost.[ ] Look out! He has a gun! [ ] There's not waiting for a better spot in a cash game. The better spot will be there regardless of what you do in this spot. If you're afraid of going broke, then you're in too big of a game.

post of the year

[Zach6668 513]

David, can I steal that and just use it as my standard form reply?Also, add:[x] Raising for information only is retarded.

[David_Nicoson 1]

David, can I steal that and just use it as my standard form reply?Also, add:[x] Raising for information only is retarded.

Oh yeah, that's a good one.