serge 904 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Apparently Brian Burke is behind this and if it is accepted it will definetely help the Leafs situation...http://www.thestar.com/article/280605 Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Apparently Brian Burke is behind this and if it is accepted it will definetely help the Leafs situation...http://www.thestar.com/article/280605 The NHLPA will never go for this.... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 Well I figured it would suck for the players, but who knew they would go for the salary cap..The way the current system is gms have very a difficult time making trades. As a fan its exciting when you get those major trades you can discuss and argue about..We never get those anymore. Obviously as a Leafs fan this is something that is intriguing as a team with lots of money can afford to make more moves..We will see what happens... Link to post Share on other sites
TheDaveyG 6 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Well I figured it would suck for the players, but who knew they would go for the salary cap..The way the current system is gms have very a difficult time making trades. As a fan its exciting when you get those major trades you can discuss and argue about..We never get those anymore. Obviously as a Leafs fan this is something that is intriguing as a team with lots of money can afford to make more moves..We will see what happens...You're kidding right? Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The NHLPA will never go for this....Why? Freeing up money for big spending teams like the Leafs and Rangers would ensure that more big insane contracts would be signed. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 You're kidding right?When is the last time there was a major "hockey" trade made??Meaning stars switched teams and it wasnt a salary dump from one of the teams involved..Movement is a lot more difficult within the salary cap, and GMs are having tough time making trades.. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Obviously GMs watch the AHL / FCHL and realize what geniuses we are in our rules.(serge) Link to post Share on other sites
TheDaveyG 6 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 When is the last time there was a major "hockey" trade made??Meaning stars switched teams and it wasnt a salary dump from one of the teams involved..Movement is a lot more difficult within the salary cap, and GMs are having tough time making trades..Salary is one of the biggest reasons for making a trade. What other reasons are there? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Why? Freeing up money for big spending teams like the Leafs and Rangers would ensure that more big insane contracts would be signed.It doesnt free up any money. The cap is still the cap. It just allows teams to trade cap space, which is detrimental to player contracts. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 I also heard today that they are reviewing the numbers and its very likely the cap will be higher next year... Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 9 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I also heard today that they are reviewing the numbers and its very likely the cap will be higher next year...Dont get your hopes up next years UFA list is pretty pathetic. Most of the impact RFA have been locked up early aswell. Maybe the Leafs can give 6mill 5 year deal to Kolzig though. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 seriously all you guys are getting old with your bashing...You dont have to bash the Leafs on every topic on every post I make..Especially when I am contributing to the thread in a legitimate way...Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dont get your hopes up next years UFA list is pretty pathetic. Most of the impact RFA have been locked up early aswell. Maybe the Leafs can give 6mill 5 year deal to Kolzig though.Looks to me like there may be some decent talent available.http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?t...a&type=none Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 9 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Looks to me like there may be some decent talent available.http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?t...a&type=none Hossa is really the only one who stands out as a major impact player to me. Demitra is solid but getting up there. Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 9 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 seriously all you guys are getting old with your bashing...You dont have to bash the Leafs on every topic on every post I make..Especially when I am contributing to the thread in a legitimate way...ThanksSorry I am still bitter for missing the first half of the 1st period of the Van/Anh game last night because some retard doesnt know how to work a zamboni! Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 that was pretty hilarious...I am pretty sure he got fired today.... Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hossa is really the only one who stands out as a major impact player to me. Demitra is solid but getting up there.Hossa, JP Dumont, Langkow, Comrie, etc..While there isn't a ton of big names there still a ton of quality to be mined in there as well in the 1-2 mill range. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Sorry I am still bitter for missing the first half of the 1st period of the Van/Anh game last night because some retard doesnt know how to work a zamboni!After a quick look, I like...Marian HossaBrian CampbellCory StillmanKristian HuseliusDaymond LangkowRon HainseyJoe SakicMike RibeiroJohn-Michael LilesNicklas LidstromMichael RyderJ.P. DumontDavid LegwandMike ComrieMiroslav SatanSean AveryMartin StrakaBrendan ShanahanWade ReddenDan BoyleVaclav ProspalMats SundinBrendan MorrisonMarkus Naslund Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 There is also big names that wont receive the contracts they are currently signed for..ie Theodore,Demitra,Blake(might retire),Lidstrom,Sakic(maybe he will)While these guys are all old Sakic and Lidstrom are still at the top of their game adn for the right price they can have value...The real goldmine of great young talent is in the RFAs Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 It doesnt free up any money. The cap is still the cap. It just allows teams to trade cap space, which is detrimental to player contracts.But some teams don't spend to the top of the cap because they are cheap. As an example If Toronto trades Kubina and his salary to the Predators, then spend that 5 million on other free agents, 5 million more dollars just went into player salaries. Nashville would not have spent that money unless Toronto sent it to them. They would have just gone through the season with unused cap space. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 what they are proposing is, in your example..Toronto would still pay all or part of Kubina's salary, but it wont count against the cap...So in essence Kubina can play for Nashville and be paid by Toronto...It happens in other sports , especially baseball..That way more trades are able to go through... Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 It doesnt free up any money. The cap is still the cap. It just allows teams to trade cap space, which is detrimental to player contracts.why? serge's argument (more flexibility equals more money spent on player contracts) seems pretty solid to me. this is not necessarily to say that I want to see this rule go into place. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 But some teams don't spend to the top of the cap because they are cheap. As an example If Toronto trades Kubina and his salary to the Predators, then spend that 5 million on other free agents, 5 million more dollars just went into player salaries. Nashville would not have spent that money unless Toronto sent it to them. They would have just gone through the season with unused cap space. Lets say toronto ate 2 mil of kubina's salary. That 2 mil still counts against the Leafs cap. The other three mil counts against Nashville's cap. THerefore, the net change in salary cap availability is nil. It's just changed teams a little. So small market teams will get saddled with overpaid/underperforming players who will not cost them as much money. Big market teams will be paying phantom salaries under the cap rules to players they dont have. The NHLPA would rather not see deals being made to underwrite salaries or clear cap space. One of the basic premises of the NHL salary cap is that cap space is NOT to be used as a commodity. That's why everyone got so pissed with the Malakhov move by Lou Lamoriello.. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Lets say toronto ate 2 mil of kubina's salary. That 2 mil still counts against the Leafs cap. The other three mil counts against Nashville's cap. THerefore, the net change in salary cap availability is nil. It's just changed teams a little. So small market teams will get saddled with overpaid/underperforming players who will not cost them as much money. Big market teams will be paying phantom salaries under the cap rules to players they dont have. The NHLPA would rather not see deals being made to underwrite salaries or clear cap space. One of the basic premises of the NHL salary cap is that cap space is NOT to be used as a commodity. That's why everyone got so pissed with the Malakhov move by Lou Lamoriello..Given that it is just a player union, isn't the NHLPA solely concerned with seeing larger player salaries? Maxing the cap in every single market (or getting as close as possible) seems consistent with their goals. I guess I would just expect the owners of smaller market franchises to be more up in arms over this than the players.I agree that it isn't really something I want to see go into place. I don't know why we bothered with the lockout if we're going to do things that encourage the same big market spending as before. Serge mentioned baseball which I think is basically the perfect example of a sport totally ruined by the disparity between small and big markets. I live near KC and I've only been to maybe 5 royals games in the last 10 years... there's a reason for that. Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Lets say toronto ate 2 mil of kubina's salary. That 2 mil still counts against the Leafs cap. The other three mil counts against Nashville's cap. THerefore, the net change in salary cap availability is nil. It's just changed teams a little. So small market teams will get saddled with overpaid/underperforming players who will not cost them as much money. Big market teams will be paying phantom salaries under the cap rules to players they dont have. The NHLPA would rather not see deals being made to underwrite salaries or clear cap space. One of the basic premises of the NHL salary cap is that cap space is NOT to be used as a commodity. That's why everyone got so pissed with the Malakhov move by Lou Lamoriello..I understand what you are saying, but in your example, Nashville is still employing a 5 million dollar player that they would not otherwise have. The Leafs free up another 3 million in cap space, which we all know they will spend. 3 million dollars is being spent that would not have been if this rule wasn't in place. I would have thought that alone would make the NHLPA come on board. Link to post Share on other sites
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