Set Vs Flush?

[rdtedm 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($51.35)SB ($50)BB ($4.90)Hero ($89.15)MP ($30.75)CO ($49.25)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4. Hero calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: ($2) 4, J, 8(4 players)SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3.5, MP folds, SB raises to $49.5

[psujohn 0]

Hero raises pre-flop. SB folds his suited junk. Hero wins.

[Jadaki 1]

I don't like limping preflop with 44 UTG, I'd typically raise or fold depending on table and my image.SB's range is ridiculously huge, you have any reads at all?

[NoBBiR 0]

Any stats? That's pretty gross.I think you can dump it for full stacks if he's tight, you're only really looking at a 1:3 chance to win if he flopped a flush. If you have any reason to think he is ever doing this with the Ace and a pair or anything else though, you're not folding. I'd time out though.

[NoBBiR 0]

I don't like limping preflop with 44 UTG, I'd typically raise or fold depending on table and my image.SB's range is ridiculously huge, you have any reads at all?

I don't think his range is ridiculously huge, it's pretty much a flush (and we're behind) or not (and we're not), but read would help tremendously. I think way more often than not though, it's a flush and we're a significant dog.

[Metternich 0]

I think this is the flush like 75% of the time. When it's not the flush sometimes its a higher set.

[Jadaki 1]

I don't think his range is ridiculously huge, it's pretty much a flush (and we're behind) or not (and we're not), but read would help tremendously. I think way more often than not though, it's a flush and we're a significant dog.

Two pair, pair and FD, maybe 88, and if he is really a gambler T9 with a heart are in his range as much as a baby flush.Edit* - Maybe not as much, but they should still be considered.

[mtdesmoines 2]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($51.35)SB ($50)BB ($4.90)Hero ($89.15)MP ($30.75)CO ($49.25)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4. Hero calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: ($2) 4, J, 8(4 players)SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3.5, MP folds, SB raises to $49.5

You've invest $4 and the villain now proposes that you invest $50? I know we don't fold sets. I need a read to continue. Some villains ... instacall. Some others ... instafold.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Easiest fold ever in the history of poker.For real though, don't open limp. Ever.

[NoBBiR 0]

Two pair, pair and FD, maybe 88, and if he is really a gambler T9 with a heart are in his range as much as a baby flush.Edit* - Maybe not as much, but they should still be considered.

Well that's what I said. 88 is the only thing we're really worried to death about, but that would imply that the villain is open limping 88 and playing as poorly as open limping 44 :)I'd time 'er out in any case.

[pdr87 0]

You normally have to fold this. (Weak play preflop).

[psujohn 0]

Well that's what I said. 88 is the only thing we're really worried to death about, but that would imply that the villain is open limping 88 and playing as poorly as open limping 44

Villain calling with 88 3rd in when he's horribly OOP is way more excusable than hero open limping with 44.As played it's of course a fold.

[fatman 1]

For real though, don't open limp. Ever.

Esp. under the gun with 44.

[NoBBiR 0]

Villain calling with 88 3rd in when he's horribly OOP is way more excusable than hero open limping with 44.As played it's of course a fold.

I'd say it's marginally more excusable. Not raising a pocket pair from any position in unraised pots at 6 max is a sin to me.

[rdtedm 0]

I need to get used to playing small PP's in EP at 6-max. Limping them is something I've taken from my full-ring game, and I know, open limping is just bad from pretty much any position. I don't however, agree that this is "the easiest fold ever".At this limit, I see a lot of players become stupid-aggressive when trying to protect top pair/two pair type hands on a coordinated/3-flush board.

[mtdesmoines 2]

I need to get used to playing small PP's in EP at 6-max. Limping them is something I've taken from my full-ring game, and I know, open limping is just bad from pretty much any position. I don't however, agree that this is "the easiest fold ever".

the SB's push makes it easy. if the SB had merely RAISED, we'd obv. call.

[rdtedm 0]

Well, I called, and he had AhJs. Turn A, river 8.

[NoBBiR 0]

Well, I called, and he had AhJs. Turn A, river 8.

YAY~!

[Sheiky 0]

I need to get used to playing small PP's in EP at 6-max. Limping them is something I've taken from my full-ring game, and I know, open limping is just bad from pretty much any position. I don't however, agree that this is "the easiest fold ever".At this limit, I see a lot of players become stupid-aggressive when trying to protect top pair/two pair type hands on a coordinated/3-flush board.

I would reccomend reading this article if you're trying to learn 6-max.Acid can you explain why this is the easiest fold ever? My reasoning for calling:A) Even when he has a flush we're 2-1 anywayB) So many people play fast (and often quite rightly) when there's a suited flop and they have the Ace with it, this could be so many flush+pair+overcard+straight draws where think they're ahead in the hand, we have this huge part of their range crushed.

[NoBBiR 0]

I would reccomend reading this article if you're trying to learn 6-max.Acid can you explain why this is the easiest fold ever? My reasoning for calling:A) Even when he has a flush we're 2-1 anywayB) So many people play fast (and often quite rightly) when there's a suited flop and they have the Ace with it, this could be so many flush+pair+overcard+straight draws where think they're ahead in the hand, we have this huge part of their range crushed.

The only reason this isn't the easiest fold ever is because he shoved the flop. If he had the nut flush or the King flush, he wouldn't have shoved because he would want action, but he would reraise. However, this is still a baby flush a lot of the time. I'd still fold though. Being a 2-1 dog is bad, and you're certainly not getting good pot odds. I think this is going to be a flush or better set something like 8/9 or 9/10 (probably more than that) against a player I have no read on.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

shrug and go "but i have a set!" as you hit fold

[Acid_Knight 2]

Acid can you explain why this is the easiest fold ever?

I just think that it's really straight forward and you'll get shown a flush or even a higher set way more often than you'd need to make this profitable. I mean, he had AhJx, which is a very strong hand here and look at the line that he took. He'd almost certainly take that line with a set or a smaller flush as well. Also, he's always got 30% equity in the pot if he's losing and you will usually have slightly less than that when you're losing.