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[CobaltBlue]

Bodog 3/6 NLHE (9-handed)

MP3 $696
Cobalt $568
Button $109
Evelyn Ng $609
BB $489

Cobalt is CO w/ A K . I've been playing fairly TAG. MP3 just got to the table like 6 hands ago, so no reads there. Button is a tad donkish. Evelyn has been playing a bit weak-tightish. BB is a donk.

Pre-flop:
4 folds, MP3 raises to $24, Cobalt calls, Button calls, 2 folds

Flop ($81): 2 5 4 (3 players)
MP3 bets $60, Cobalt calls, Button goes all-in for $85, MP3 calls, Cobalt calls

Turn ($336): 7 (2 players)
MP3 bets $150, Cobalt folds


Little awkward but might be standard. Talk to me.

[Snamuh]

You're a better player than I am but it looks standard. I doubt MP3 is value betting the Qh here.

[Acid_Knight]

I think I call the turn here sometimes. I'd fold to another bet, but it's pretty hard for him to give up on QQ with Qh or a decent overpair with a heart the way this has played out.

I'd probably call and fold to a river bet. I think your hand is kind of underrepped? I don't know. What would you do with 2 back Jacks or Queens here.

I don't hate it but I don't love it either. Def not standard.

[Acid_Knight]

You're a better player than I am but it looks standard. I doubt MP3 is value betting the Qh here.

Awkwardish blocking bet? I dunno. I don't have a problem with the fold, but I just think that you can be winning here a decent amount of the time.

[navybuttons]

Awkwardish blocking bet? I dunno. I don't have a problem with the fold, but I just think that you can be winning here a decent amount of the time.

agree.

also, any reason for the smooth call preflop?

[Influcted]

I don't see the point in folding here. I mean what card did you want to hit when you called the flop?

[Zach6668]

I don't see the point in folding here. I mean what card did you want to hit when you called the flop?

Completely irrelevant.

If he hit a non-nut draw, and the action goes as such, that we put someone on the nut hand, we don't have to call with the second nuts.

Not saying that is particularly the case here, but it may be.

[Influcted]

I think only reason to believe you're behind here is that villain holds AhAx.

[Zach6668]

Seriously? This could be any number of AhXx hands.

[krup24]

i don't see how we can fold here by automatically putting MP3 on Ah. This is a clear call imo. JhJ, QhQ, QhA, ThT, AhA, AhK, AhQ, JhAh, JhA, is my range now someone can pokerstove that and add any other hands they think are in villians range. His bet size is tough to deciphyer being that we have no reads.

[Willing 2 Die]

Looks like a sick value bet on the river there. I might be inclined to fold too but you're only getting slightly less than 2 to 1 on your money on the river.

[Jadaki]

This was a well disguised brag post to say you were playing with Evelyn

I agree with Acid, I like calling the turn (without reads) and folding to a river bet. Why no preflop reraise?

[krup24]

I think I call the turn here sometimes. I'd fold to another bet, but it's pretty hard for him to give up on QQ with Qh or a decent overpair with a heart the way this has played out.

I'd probably call and fold to a river bet. I think your hand is kind of underrepped? I don't know. What would you do with 2 back Jacks or Queens here.

So if you call and river is x and villian leads for x you fold? That can't be right. QQh can fire again. Also what if we call the turn and the river is x and it is checked to us, instacheckbehind?

[Acid_Knight]

So if you call and river is x and villian leads for x you fold? That can't be right. QQh can fire again. Also what if we call the turn and the river is x and it is checked to us, instacheckbehind?

I'm not saying that I'm automatically folding, but if I'm gonna call with this hand on the river, then what can he have? I have the 2nd nut flush and I could have the nut flush (unless he has it of course) so how on earth is he gonna value bet QhQx on the river? Really, the only way for him to know that we're not slowplaying the nuts (which we would likely flat call with in position assuming that like 95% of the time he's drawing dead) is if he has it himself.

I just don't really like the turn fold becuase there's so much of his range which he still needs to keep the lead with here and our hand is pretty under-repped.

[NoBBiR]

I don't see the point in folding here. I mean what card did you want to hit when you called the flop?

Um, the Ace of hearts.



I agree with Acid, I'm really not for folding instantly. I probably would end up folding after I think about it a bit, but I'd put some serious thought into it.

Villain flopped the straight flush and the other guy had the Ah. NH.

[CobaltBlue]

Let me clarify a bit...this wasn't an insta-fold...this was a "take most of my time bank before folding" fold.

also, any reason for the smooth call preflop?

Why no preflop reraise?

I'll mostly chalk it up to mixing up my play. When in position, I'll sometimes call here with AK...as well as a fairly wide range of other hands. I'd be more likely to re-raise it if I didn't have that position. Also, since I don't have much info on the guy and he's made a somewhat non-standard 4xOR, I'm inclined to play a little more carefully until I know what that means...and how he plays. On the whole, I'm taking a re-raise/call mix of 75/25 in similar spots.

[mtdesmoines]

Turn ($336): 7 (2 players)
MP3 bets $150, Cobalt folds
Little awkward but might be standard. Talk to me.

I call.

[mtdesmoines]

Awkwardish blocking bet? I dunno. I don't have a problem with the fold, but I just think that you can be winning here a decent amount of the time.

We actually might be losing the main and winning the side.

[Acid_Knight]

We actually might be losing the main and winning the side.

This is relatively unimportant since we are primarily concerned with the player betting, who still has chips and it's his hand we're worried about. The other guy's range is HUGE while the villain who is betting has a much tighter range.

[mtdesmoines]

This is relatively unimportant since we are primarily concerned with the player betting, who still has chips and it's his hand we're worried about. The other guy's range is HUGE while the villain who is betting has a much tighter range.

I'm not convinced. When the button shoves everything over the two previous bets on the all-heart flop, I can almost guarantee he has the Ah. So the main is lost. When MP3 probes the turn, he's giving us the opportunity to get paid on the hand we drew to. If we weren't going to see this hand through and try to make money on it, we should have folded the flop.