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[wrto4556]

I have been busy at my other site. I cashed out over $1,000 this week so I havn't been playing much party.Most of the hands today were really boring. Sorry.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is CO with K:club:, K:spade:. 3 folds, MP1 calls.Flop: (7 SB) 6:club:, T:spade:, 6:spade: (3 players)SB checks, MP1 checks, wrto bets, SB folds, MP1 calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) 3:spade: (2 players)MP1 checks, wrto bets, MP1 calls.River: (6.50 BB) 7:heart: (2 players)MP1 checks, wrto bets, MP1 calls.Final Pot: 8.50 BBMP1 has Th 3h (two pair, tens and sixes). wrto has Kc Ks (two pair, kings and sixes). Outcome: wrto wins 8.50 BB. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with A:heart:, J:spade:. CO posts a blind of $3. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 7:spade:, T:spade:, 9:diamond: (6 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, wrto calls, UTG+1 calls.I hope my raise will clean up some A outs and maybe knock out someone with a 6. I get check/3-bet... :? Turn: (12.66 BB) 6:spade: (4 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, wrto calls, UTG+1 calls.I pick up a few more outs....River: (15.66 BB) K:club: (3 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, wrto folds, UTG+1 calls.....and they all miss.Final Pot: 17.66 BBUTG+1 has Qs Kd (one pair, kings). UTG+2 has 8h 9h (straight, ten high). Outcome: UTG+2 wins 17.66 BB. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP1 with T:heart:, 9:heart:. 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.Loose table. I limp with T9s from MP1Flop: (6 SB) J:club:, 9:club:, 6:spade: (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, wrto bets, MP3 calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.Checked to me, so I figure my hand is good.Turn: (4.50 BB) 7:heart: (3 players)UTG+2 checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.I make a loose call and see if I can catch two pair, trips, or a straight.River: (8.50 BB) K:spade: (2 players)UTG+2 bets, wrto calls.Nothing comes...but I still fucking call. Curiosity got the best of me.Final Pot: 10.50 BBUTG+2 has 5c 8c (straight, nine high). wrto has Th 9h (one pair, nines). Outcome: UTG+2 wins 10.50 BB. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG+2 with Q:club:, A:spade:. 2 folds, wrto calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (12 SB) J:heart:, 4:diamond:, T:spade: (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, wrto calls, CO folds, SB folds.I thought for a long time about raising...but decided not to. Im not sure if the outs im trying to clean up are any good...raising is probably better.Turn: (7 BB) 9:spade: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.River: (9 BB) K:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.That's my card.Final Pot: 13 BBBB has Tc Th (three of a kind, tens). wrto has Qc As (straight, ace high). Outcome: wrto wins 13 BB.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with A:club:, A:spade:. wrto raises.Flop: (7.33 SB) Q:spade:, J:spade:, 5:heart: (3 players)wrto bets, MP3 folds, CO calls.Turn: (7.16 BB) 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto bets, CO calls.River: (9.16 BB) 9:heart: (2 players)wrto bets, CO calls.Final Pot: 11.16 BBwrto has Ac As (one pair, aces). CO has 9c Ah (one pair, nines). Outcome: wrto wins 11.16 BB. Pretty standard AA hand.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That's about it, really.

[custom36]

wrto4556 said:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG+2 with Q:club:, A:spade:. 2 folds, wrto calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (12 SB) J:heart:, 4:diamond:, T:spade: (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, wrto calls, CO folds, SB folds.I thought for a long time about raising...but decided not to. Im not sure if the outs im trying to clean up are any good...raising is probably better.Turn: (7 BB) 9:spade: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.River: (9 BB) K:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.That's my card.Final Pot: 13 BBBB has Tc Th (three of a kind, tens). wrto has Qc As (straight, ace high). Outcome: wrto wins 13 BB.

This seems like a fish-type of play to me. Care to explain why it's not?

[RISEorFall]

first hand- he has 3 pair, didn't we agree that should beat your lousy 2 pair? second hand - why do you want to knock someone with a 6 out? If you hit your straight, they do too, and you got the good end. 4th hand, with a 3-bet pre-flop your high card outs may not be any good. He could have 10's, J's, Q's, K's, or Aces. Against 3 of those you have to hit your gutshot King. Against Against kings or Queens, you have the other 2 (or all 4 in QQ situation) Kings and 3 Aces. He might have AKs and you have to hit a Queen or a King. I think you should've ditched on the flop. Against most pre-flop 3-betting hands you're way behind here. But you hit your card on the river so it worked out.

[wrto4556]

AQ: I was getting odds to hit my gutshot on the flop, on the turn I improved to a OESD...why in the hell would I fold?AJ: I didn't mean to say 6. More hands like A7 and A9 and maybe a J if i'm lucky.About my AQ hand seeming fishy...im doing something with my game right now. 1) hardly no limping....2) hardly any free card playsI misuse it sometimes. Raising the flop cleans up outs and I should have done it for that reason.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is Button with A:heart:, J:spade:. CO posts a blind of $3. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 7:spade:, T:spade:, 9:diamond: (6 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, wrto calls, UTG+1 calls.I hope my raise will clean up some A outs and maybe knock out someone with a 6. I get check/3-bet... :? Turn: (12.66 BB) 6:spade: (4 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, wrto calls, UTG+1 calls.I pick up a few more outs....River: (15.66 BB) K:club: (3 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, wrto folds, UTG+1 calls.....and they all miss.Final Pot: 17.66 BBUTG+1 has Qs Kd (one pair, kings). UTG+2 has 8h 9h (straight, ten high). Outcome: UTG+2 wins 17.66 BB.

I don't like the flop raise, a lot better with AJs obviously. I would just call, I think the board here is usually getting C/R in a pot this multiway I would just call.

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is MP1 with T:heart:, 9:heart:. 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.Loose table. I limp with T9s from MP1Flop: (6 SB) J:club:, 9:club:, 6:spade: (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, wrto bets, MP3 calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.Checked to me, so I figure my hand is good.Turn: (4.50 BB) 7:heart: (3 players)UTG+2 checks, wrto bets, wrto calls.I make a loose call and see if I can catch two pair, trips, or a straight.River: (8.50 BB) K:spade: (2 players)UTG+2 bets, wrto calls.Nothing comes...but I still fucking call. Curiosity got the best of me.Final Pot: 10.50 BBUTG+2 has 5c 8c (straight, nine high). wrto has Th 9h (one pair, nines). Outcome: UTG+2 wins 10.50 BB.

Would folding the turn getting 6.5 to 1 be that bad here? Lots of hands have you beat and it was multi-way and passive PF. I think I would lay it down there. Definitely fold the river.

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG+2 with Q:club:, A:spade:. 2 folds, wrto calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (12 SB) J:heart:, 4:diamond:, T:spade: (4 players)SB checks, BB bets, wrto calls, CO folds, SB folds.I thought for a long time about raising...but decided not to. Im not sure if the outs im trying to clean up are any good...raising is probably better.Turn: (7 BB) 9:spade: (2 players)BB bets, wrto calls.River: (9 BB) K:heart: (2 players)BB bets, BB calls.That's my card.Final Pot: 13 BBBB has Tc Th (three of a kind, tens). wrto has Qc As (straight, ace high). Outcome: wrto wins 13 BB.

I think a raise on the flop gets it heads up. It got heads up anyway, but I think you very well have 10 outs but you need it heads up going to the turn. Im curious to hear more what you think here. Do you want an overcall or not?On the turn you are getting 8 to 1 with 11 good outs? Is a raise not ok on this turn? Calling seems fine too.

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is UTG with A:club:, A:spade:. wrto raises.Flop: (7.33 SB) Q:spade:, J:spade:, 5:heart: (3 players)wrto bets, MP3 folds, CO calls.Turn: (7.16 BB) 7:diamond: (2 players)wrto bets, CO calls.River: (9.16 BB) 9:heart: (2 players)wrto bets, CO calls.Final Pot: 11.16 BBwrto has Ac As (one pair, aces). CO has 9c Ah (one pair, nines). Outcome: wrto wins 11.16 BB. Pretty standard AA hand.

An idea here. Do you want to push out the MP3 on the flop? Why not call the flop, C/R the turn?I think your play here is correct and standard, but what do you think of my suggested line?

[custom36]

wrto4556 said:

AQ: I was getting odds to hit my gutshot on the flop, on the turn I improved to a OESD...why in the hell would I fold?About my AQ hand seeming fishy...im doing something with my game right now. 1) hardly no limping....2) hardly any free card playsI misuse it sometimes. Raising the flop cleans up outs and I should have done it for that reason.

Ah, I didn't notice the draw was open-ended on the turn. Sorry about that. Would you have done the same if you only had a gutshot draw?That's an interesting strategy. Let me know how it works out for you.

[wrto4556]

Absolute,The AJ hand I have a vulnerable hand that I need to protect.The AQ hand raising the turn would be horrible. Raising the flop would be goot.The T9s hand, a call there isn't bad. A nine or a T or my gutshot could win me the hand.The AA hand there are too many draws on the board to try and get fancy.

[Absolute]

Custom36 said:

wrto4556 said:

AQ: I was getting odds to hit my gutshot on the flop, on the turn I improved to a OESD...why in the hell would I fold?About my AQ hand seeming fishy...im doing something with my game right now. 1) hardly no limping....2) hardly any free card playsI misuse it sometimes. Raising the flop cleans up outs and I should have done it for that reason.

Ah, I didn't notice the draw was open-ended on the turn. Sorry about that. Would you have done the same if you only had a gutshot draw?That's an interesting strategy. Let me know how it works out for you.

it seems to be working out fineread the top of his threadsomething about 1K

[custom36]

Absolute said:

it seems to be working out fineread the top of his threadsomething about 1K

He said he's trying a new strategy. I assume that by "new" he means within the last week or two. If he made that 1k in the last week or two, I should consider changing my strategy.

[RISEorFall]

AQ hand...1)I just have this thing about not chasing gutshots, even though you did have the odds, but there are 2 people to act after you and if it gets raised by one of them you i don't think you then have odds. But it didn't. 2) I totally missed the OESD on the turn, didn't really look at the card just figured you were lookin for QK or A. I still don't like your chances in this hand against most pre-flop 3-betting hands. You're way behind all of them but QQ on the flop. but you had odds...oh and i figured you didn't want a 6 to fold, thought you meant 8 in case a J hit.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

Absolute,The AJ hand I have a vulnerable hand that I need to protect.The AQ hand raising the turn would be horrible. Raising the flop would be goot.The T9s hand, a call there isn't bad. A nine or a T or my gutshot could win me the hand.The AA hand there are too many draws on the board to try and get fancy.

you are right about the AA, was just an ideaon the 109 you are getting odds to call if the villian only has a pairif he has two pair or a set or better you certainly arent getting oddsi guess youd need a read on the villianbut 6.5 to 1 to call with 9 clean outs is fine.and why do you call raising the turn qith AQ horriblei say your 109 call is horrible (on the river)aha!runs away*

[wrto4556]

Nice post. :-) Raising the turn would be bad because i'm not getting a better hand to fold and I could easily be 3-bet.Yes, I should have folded the T9s to the turn raise. The guy was just retarded. He would do silly things, so he could be check/raising a pair...that's why I made the turn call, and the river I just *had* to see.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

Nice post. :-) Raising the turn would be bad because i'm not getting a better hand to fold and I could easily be 3-bet.Yes, I should have folded the T9s to the turn raise. The guy was just retarded. He would do silly things, so he could be check/raising a pair...that's why I made the turn call, and the river I just *had* to see.

if you wanna pay $6 to get the showdown in your trackerpower to you brother

[allinbluff35]

and the river I just *had* to see.curiosity killed the cat and drained the players bankroll PWNED

[Absolute]

allinbluff35 said:

and the river I just *had* to see.curiosity killed the cat and drained the players bankroll PWNED

BURNT!

[custom36]

Absolute said:

allinbluff35 said:

and the river I just *had* to see.curiosity killed the cat and drained the players bankroll PWNED

BURNED!

[Absolute]

Custom36 said:

Absolute said:

allinbluff35 said:

and the river I just *had* to see.curiosity killed the cat and drained the players bankroll PWNED

BURNED!

you ruined my emphasis on the Ti know how to spell:)

[KDawgCometh]

damnit, I can't really critique any of these hands. Nit

[JFarrell20]

[quote="wrto4556"]Absolute,The AJ hand I have a vulnerable hand that I need to protect.quote]How much protection do you get by raising here with 4 people in ahead of you and two people yet to act?Hardly any, no?I think calling here and looking for straight options on the flop is really what you want to do. I just don't think AJ off is worth a raise in this instance. I'm not even sure AJ suited is.

[KDawgCometh]

[quote="JFarrell20"][quote=wrto4556]Absolute,The AJ hand I have a vulnerable hand that I need to protect.quote]How much protection do you get by raising here with 4 people in ahead of you and two people yet to act?Hardly any, no?I think calling here and looking for straight options on the flop is really what you want to do. I just don't think AJ off is worth a raise in this instance. I'm not even sure AJ suited is.[/quote]no you have to raise with AJs definetly on the button with limpers in front of you. YOu will win teh hand more then any random limper will. So your raise isn't as much to protect your hand, but to push your equity edge. By raising with AJo or AJs you also utilize your position and signify yourself as the PF raiser so you also gain old equity if you don't improve. NOw I think Chris' riase on teh flop might be pushing it a little, but many party 3/6 donks are capapble of laying down a hnad when the PF riaser raises back on teh flop. At 3/6 I've been able to use CR bluffs a lot more and semi-bluff weaker holdings like 66 with several overcards just by utilizing table image. The guy who bet into Wrto 3bet the flop, so it was obvcious that chirs would need an ace, or he was drawing dead to a set