10 replies to this topic

[zoo]

Not much beats me here but the betting has me completely confused.

Both villains were new to the table so absolutely no read on either of them.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed) Ultimate Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($48.85)
Hero ($101.50)
BB ($52.90)
UTG ($101.65)
UTG+1 ($140.85)
UTG+2 ($127.75)
MP1 ($28)
MP2 ($100.20)
MP3 ($74.65)
CO ($67.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 , 5 .
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $4.5, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($14.50) 8 , 5 , 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets $5, Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $10, MP2 calls $5.

Turn: ($44.50) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $44.5, MP2 raises to $85.70 all-in, Hero ???

[Sheiky]

I'm assuming UTG has A4, no idea what MP2 has.

Who cares, i'm not folding.

[simo_8ball]

Don't minraise.

[Dubey]

Hero Snap calls

[throwemaway]

Raise flop to 20-25..Do NOT check the turn..Bet 35 on the turn if you play the flop the way you did

[Money022]

Don't minraise.

+ 33,402.

All you've done is juiced the pot for draws to chase.

[trystero]

Only hand which concerns me is 88

Seriously, like throw says, hammer the turn. You've got interest in this hand so punish everyone. You pretty much butchered both streets.

MP looks like an overvalued overpair
Sucks when UTG has A4 - awesome when he's got 33

[David_Nicoson]

You already getting 4:14:2 from the pot (and very likely 5:2 when the bettor calls) and only a 3:1 dog against a straight. UTG can have 33 or 88, which pretty much cancels out in my book. I suspect MP2 has an overpair. I call the turn, because I'm almost getting proper pots odds against the straight and I'm not even sure that's what he has.

Raise more on the flop.

Edited by David_Nicoson, 24 November 2007 - 08:33 AM.

[Zach6668]

Why the eff did we check this turn?

[AimHigher]

UTG is getting pretty much 3:1 on the flop and MP is getting around 7:1. On a board like this why are you letting them get to the turn so cheaply? Make them pay, and don't check the turn.

[Ricer98]

I really really wanna dump this hand. UTG's actions just fit perfect for 64s, I don't think A4 shows up near as much as others think. He would have had to have check called a raise and reraise with only a gutter, without a read I'd assume that doesn't happen. Preflop he limped from UTG, which signals small pairs and suited connectors alot; that could be different for full ring but at 6 max its very safe assumption. Flop he check calls, very fitting of a draw. On the turn a draw hits and hes all of a sudden wakes up with a pot sized bet, hmmmm.

I'd say this is almost never a bluff. If he flopped a set and is going to slow play through a raise and reraise on the flop why all of a sudden apply so much pressure. I wouldn't expect to see a 99 or 1010 overpair here often either. 22 might make this play, but probably doesn't make it past the flop. Two pair would be a big stretch with his preflop and flop actions. Hands we beat just don't fit very well with his line.

With only 88, 64, and A4 beating us I am going to the felt just about every time with our hand. However, with the way you butchered it on earlier streets makes me think we can get away from it in this specific occasion. We don't much invested, two players played a dryish flop passively getting great pot odds, then they both went to the felt when the only real draw gets there on the turn. Go back to the flop and put in a decient sized raise followed by a good turn bet then I'm going to the felt with them; as played I get out. This a very tough laydown to make, but I think its probably the correct play given the flop action.