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[Wily]

.05/.1 PL O/8 on FTPPassive blah blah blah game - make a somewhat loose limp on the button, with four other callers, with 8 6 2 4 .Flop is 7 9 3 UTG+1 makes a pot bet of $1.40, Mp1 calls, I decide to call with a couple of weird draws. BB calls. UTG+1 is real bad, so I know he'll go all in on the come or with just two pair even if I make a hand.Turn is 7 9 3 5 UTG+1 pushes all in, on what I think is a badly played set (or A2 clubs?) looking to buy the whole pot. I have about $5 left, and he's got me covered. Should I call with the current nuts, weak flush draw, and gutshot straight flush draw? I think that BB will call also, as he's only got $1.50 left. This makes the pot (with BB's contribution) about $10 ...I'm a beginner at PL O/8, so "constructive criticism" is welcome!

[gobears]

Wily said:

.05/.1 PL O/8 on FTPPassive blah blah blah game - make a somewhat loose limp on the button, with four other callers, with 8 6 2 4 .Flop is 7 9 3  UTG+1 makes a pot bet of $1.40, Mp1 calls, I decide to call with a couple of weird draws.  BB calls.  UTG+1 is real bad, so I know he'll go all in on the come or with just two pair even if I make a hand.Turn is 7 9 3 5  UTG+1 pushes all in, on what I think is a badly played set (or A2 clubs?) looking to buy the whole pot.  I have about $5 left, and he's got me covered.  Should I call with the current nuts, weak flush draw, and gutshot straight flush draw?   I think that BB will call also, as he's only got $1.50 left.  This makes the pot (with BB's contribution) about $10 ...I'm a beginner at PL O/8, so "constructive criticism" is welcome!

I'm a O/8 beginner also, but I'll take a shotPre-flop, I'd only limp in on the button if I was pretty sure that the blinds would just call. That's not a very good hand to play. After the flop, I'm foldingHowever, the turn card is a good one for you.I count 21 cards that will help you on the river (4 aces, 4 K's, 4 Q's, 3 4's, 3 2's and the other three clubs besides the 3 of clubs).Your flush draw may be good and if UTG+1 is on a set without a low draw, you're in good shape since you already have the nut straight. You have the 3rd best low which might hold up.I'd call.

[Swift_Psycho]

I'm not a good omaha hi/lo player, but I can tell you this. It makes little sense to call a bet on the flop if you are going to fold when that card hits on the turn.

[Trono]

Why the HELL would you fold the nuts???

[Vade]

Trono said:

Why the HELL would you fold the nuts???

If you suspect your opponent might have the same high and and/or a redraw to the nut flush which would winNot much danger of it here though

[akishore]

Trono said:

Why the HELL would you fold the nuts???

because it's o8.aseem

[akishore]

this is a call, buddy.even if your flush draw is no good (and even if you're up against a set at the same time), at worst your high will lose about 1/3 of the time. you also have a decent backup low, which might even be good. add in the possibility of an ace landing, and you're looking at a scoop.i believe this (especially the possibility that you might scoop, with or without an ace landing) makes it +EV.aseem

[Rocketwadster]

easy call in my mind. Barring a full house or flush card coming on the river (which are very high possibilities, you will at the very least split the high. Your low is probably beat, but there are cards that could come that would give you the low as well, maybe even a split of the low. I figure based on your very good two way potential here, you are good for at least half of the pot, perhaps even three-quarters or all of it. $5 to win over $15 looks good to me with your holdings. :wink:

[cdddc75]

Folding the turn would have made this hand a misplayed trifecta.

[MrNiceGuy]

[quote=Wily].05/.1 PL O/8 on FTPPassive blah blah blah game - make a somewhat loose limp on the button, with four other callers, with 8 6 2 4 .[/quote]It's a marginal call, but I think it's probably a good call at this limit with the button and so many limpers. I'm estimating you'll get a playable flop (79x, 75x, A3x, and a few others) roughly 10% of the time.Flop is 7 9 3 [quote name='Wily]UTG+1 makes a pot bet of $1.40' date=' Mp1 calls, I decide to call with a couple of weird draws.  BB calls.  UTG+1 is real bad, so I know he'll go all in on the come or with just two pair even if I make a hand.[/quote']Well, this is one of those playable flops, but can you play it against a pot bet and a caller? If dUTG+1 is a bad player, he's probably got a set or two pair, or possibly a semibluff with A2 or a stone bluff. MP1 just called, so while it's hard to figure what he has, there's a good chance he's got A2. Out of 45 unseen cards, you'd love a 5 or an A, a ten would look pretty good, and I think you fold the turn to anything else (even though you're backup low draw might be good if a 6,7,or 8 hits). So you're about 2.75:1 to get a decent turn card, any of which likely secure you half the pot and give you a shot at the whole pot. You're getting 3:1 on your money for the whole pot, and 1:1 for half the pot, plus implied odds, which can be big in PL. You still have the BB behind you, there's no reason to expect him to raise, but if he does, UTG+1 may push all-in, and you'll face a tough decision (I think you'd fold if MP1 calls, and call if MP1 folds, but either way you'll be wishing you had folded earlier). Overall, I think I like calling here, but I don't mind folding here either.[/quote]Turn is 7 9 3 5 [quote name='Wily]UTG+1 pushes all in' date=' on what I think is a badly played set (or A2 clubs?) looking to buy the whole pot.  I have about $5 left, and he's got me covered.  Should I call with the current nuts, weak flush draw, and gutshot straight flush draw?   I think that BB will call also, as he's only got $1.50 left.  This makes the pot (with BB's contribution) about $10 ...[/quote']Getting around 2:1 on your money when you're quite likely scooping, and almost certainly getting at least half. This is an automatic call unless you see his cards and he has specifically 6 8 A 2 .