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[rog]

According to pokertracker, I am down a bit from each of the blinds, but if you subtract the cost of the blinds from my losses, I'm actually up. Should I be able to recoup my blinds on average fromt he blinds, or should I just be happy I'm not losing more than my blinds on average from 1st and 2nd chair? Those of you with large databases, how do you do from the blinds?

[srblan]

My assumption is that most people lose money from the blinds. The goal is to lose as little as possible. You are being forced to play the pot, out of position, with any two cards. This can't be +EV. Limiting your losses by folding trash in the small blind and only occasionally defending against steal attempts seem to be the most effective ways to limit the damage.

[wrto4556]

You're going to lose from the blinds no matter what.How much are you losing(BB/100)?

[BetItAll33]

I'm losing around 2BB/100 from the blinds. That seems atrocious. The SB isn't bad, but the BB is killing me. You would think they'd be somewhat proportionate, but it isn't close.Maybe I'm calling raises too loosely from the BB. I'll have to check it out.

[wrto4556]

Maybe.You're losing 2BB/100 from the BB? (Just to clear things up)

[BetItAll33]

wrto4556 said:

Maybe.You're losing 2BB/100 from the BB? (Just to clear things up)

Wow, it's actually far worse than that. I had never looked at the position stats before, but I'm losing an astounding amount from the BB. Let me do the math again. I'm winning from every position except the blinds. The small blind is a marginal loser, and the BB is killing me over a small sample. I'll post some stats.

[BetItAll33]

Well, this is a meaningless sample size, but it's still a little disconcerting that I'm hemhorraging money like this from the BB. Look at the net results of those hands that I've played....that's UGLY!

[Absolute]

I think the sample size actually has a lot to do with your BB problem.In 9K more hand I am sure it won't look as bad.

[BetItAll33]

here's 3800 more hands... they're seperate because they were played on a different site. (these are $.25/.50 rather than $.50/$1.00)

[BeanGW]

BetItAll33 said:

Well, this is a meaningless sample size, but it's still a little disconcerting that I'm hemhorraging money like this from the BB.  Look at  the net results of those hands that I've played....that's UGLY!

OK... this could just be my daily post that's totally idiodic... But I'm bored, so here goes anyway...First off... You are seeing far more hands in the BB than any other position... PROBABLY due in large part to the fact that you do not choose the "Wait for the BB" option before you see your first hand. So everytime you sit down at a table, you spend 2BB's and one SB during the first orbit alone. The rest of the time you are first making that money back, and then making your profits. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just sayin... that's one reason why the BB losses are bigger than might seem normal.I think the other part of the problem is that once you are in the BB you may feel more obligated to call a raise with a marginal hand, because you are seeing a flop cheaply, and/or because you've got good odds with a lot of callers. The problem is that you are out of position for the rest of the hand, so it is more likely that unless the flop hits you perfect, your money is dead. You might then hit a part of the flop and feel it's worth calling that next bet as well... I dunno.While some hemorraging is a necessary part of being in the blinds, and a cost of doing business, if you feel it's too high, fold more from the SB, and BB when there's been a raise. Don't feel tempted to call unless you have a hand that you would otherwise feel is playable from the EP.

[BetItAll33]

I think you make some valid points, but it's also due, in part, to sample size. I went through those hands and found some downright ugly hands, such as:Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with 9c, 8c. UTG raises, Hero calls.Why? I don't know. I suppose I thought I could get cute with a suited connector. Brilliant play in a heads up pot, I know. WRTO probably 3-bets, that aggressive mofo! /swFlop: (4.50 SB) 2d, Td, 9h (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.This flop seems as good as any, let's lead out! Turn: (4.25 BB) 5h (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.Now I'm pretty sure I'm beat, but call him down anyways. River: (6.25 BB) 6s (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 8.25 BBWho likes my play? .... anybody? didn't think so.

[BetItAll33]

oh and you're absolutely right about posting too many BB's. I'm in the habit of sitting at a table for about 40 hands, then when I see that the vpip is around 18% I get the hell out of there.