how bad did i tard this up?

[Guest]

First time posting hand histories. Be brutal everybody.Yep, its been one of those mornings. Or prehaps I suck. Its time for the "How bad did I tard this up?" game. 2 hands worth. Have at it ya'll. PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is MP2 with [Qs], [Qh]. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Zerospace calls.Flop: (14.50 SB) [4d], [Ts], [3h] (4 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.Turn: (11.75 BB) [8d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.River: (14.75 BB) [5d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, Zerospace calls, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 23.75 BB***********************************************************************PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is CO with [Ad], [Qd]. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [4h], [4s], [Qh] (4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [As] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 13.25 BB

[Petoria 0]

Edit out the result... Makes the responses biased

[BeanGW 0]

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is MP2 with [Qs], [Qh]. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Zerospace calls.Flop: (14.50 SB) [4d], [Ts], [3h] (4 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.Turn: (11.75 BB) [8d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.River: (14.75 BB) [5d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, Zerospace calls, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 23.75 BBI think you've gotta ask yourself two questions in this hand by the river...1) What could UTG have had to finally three-bet on the river? A-10D, and backed into the flush? Only other thing I could see would have been that he slowplayed his set of 10's, and considering he had to figure there were overpairs out there that would have stuck it out to the end, that move wouldn't have been too bright... but still plausible.2) How LAG was MP-3 previous to this hand? Would he be raising both pre and post-flop without A's or K's?I think you played it fine on the flop... had to three bet with the overpair to push out draws and try to make it heads-up. On the turn, I dunno... I guess you still had to push.. but with two players still in there I might slow down here. By the river I might have been in check/call mode I suppose, depending on my read of the players maybe even check/fold. ***********************************************************************PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is CO with [Ad], [Qd]. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [4h], [4s], [Qh] (4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [As] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Everything looks fine until the river. I wouldn't have 3-bet the river. I think MP-3 was playing check/call for the nutz flush, and he hit it. You had bet every turn, so he knew the check raise would be a good move. If he just had an Ace he probably would have just called your bet.You bit at the bait. I actually might have checked it down at the end, and if I did decide to bet I would have just check/called his raise.

[Briguy 0]

Cap the flop on hand 1. You have queens! You could drop that hand on the river, but I really don't mind the call, considering the size of the pot. One of those raisers could be playing A-10. You got caught by an underset, backdoor flush, or the miracle river for an A2x clown, I assume. Shit happens.Just call the raise on the river on hand 2. The guy's obviously representing a flush. Calling his raise only costs 1 BB and allows you to see if he's bluffing the scare card. You're lucky he didn't cap if he had the A-high flush. You can label him as an any sooooted player if he's playing a weak flush.All-in-all, I'd say these weren't tarded up too bad. You could've lost one less bet on hand 2, is all.

[dbdbarry 0]

First hand, I'd say get out on the turn. With two raises and the other guy just calling, you've gotta think someone has something better than a pair. Usually the turn is when most people show their true strength. Although looks like UTG waited until river. But DEFINTELY fold on the river. UTG has you all.

[srblan 0]

First time posting hand histories. Be brutal everybody.Yep, its been one of those mornings. Or prehaps I suck. Its time for the "How bad did I tard this up?" game. 2 hands worth. Have at it ya'll. PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is MP2 with [Qs], [Qh]. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Zerospace calls.Flop: (14.50 SB) [4d], [Ts], [3h] (4 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.Turn: (11.75 BB) [8d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.River: (14.75 BB) [5d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, Zerospace calls, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 23.75 BB

It wouldn't particularly surprise me to see 76 or something like A10 of diamonds (as previously mentioned) here on the river. A set of 3s, 4s, or 10s a very good possibility too. I can't discount 34 sooted either. I'm not sure that I would have bet the river (or called). The board is scary enough that any draws that are out there have gotten there, so I'm looking for a cheap showdown, not a value betting situation.

***********************************************************************PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is CO with [Ad], [Qd]. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [4h], [4s], [Qh] (4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [As] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Way too aggressive on the river. On the flop, there are two hearts and a paired board. Anybody that calls you (generally) will have a flush draw, a queen, a 4, a pocket pair, or a mental condition that prevents them from folding. Given that he's stayed with you through the flop and turn, and realizing that you can't beat anything but a queen or a pocket pair (other than 5s). You are in another situation where you just want to see a showdown. Checking behind is the correct play because you have a very marginal hand given the board and are unlikely to get paid off by a weaker one.

[Absolute 0]

First hand, I'd say get out on the turn. With two raises and the other guy just calling, you've gotta think someone has something better than a pair. Usually the turn is when most people show their true strength. Although looks like UTG waited until river. But DEFINTELY fold on the river. UTG has you all.

worst. advice. ever.

[Absolute 0]

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is MP2 with [Qs], [Qh]. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Zerospace calls.Flop: (14.50 SB) [4d], [Ts], [3h] (4 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.Turn: (11.75 BB) [8d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls, UTG calls.River: (14.75 BB) [5d] (3 players)UTG checks, Zerospace bets, Zerospace calls, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 23.75 BB

Well-played until the river. Fold that shit.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Zerospace is CO with [Ad], [Qd]. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [4h], [4s], [Qh] (4 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) [As] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.River: (7.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)MP3 checks, Zerospace bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Looks like Axs of hearts. sucks when that happens. id probably just call when he wakes up on the river, hard to think what you are beating here. If he had A5o he would have bet or raised the turn. The flush is really the only thing he wakes up here with. Bet/call is the best line here.

[jayboogie 0]

why 3 bet the river on hand 2? What can you beat here that he would check-raise you with other than a weaker ace, highly unlikely.

[wrto4556 0]

Im posting blind.Hand 1: Cap preflop. Fold the river.Hand 2: Just call the river raise.

[Guest]

Honestly, I dont feel like digging up the exact cards at the moment, but neither was anything as complicated as Ax suited or anything. Crappy small cards to complete flushes; which irritated me to no end with the first hand (hince the retarded raise on the river in the second hand). Tilt much?Thanks for the advice everybody! helped a bunch........

[jack24bauer24 0]

First hand, I'd say get out on the turn. With two raises and the other guy just calling, you've gotta think someone has something better than a pair. Usually the turn is when most people show their true strength. Although looks like UTG waited until river. But DEFINTELY fold on the river. UTG has you all.

worst. advice. ever.

Lol i was waiting for someone to say that.