Advice On My Stats For Sessions

[Royal_Tour 0]

I'm writing this with a completely open mind, open for any replies.I want to hear from people who play fulltime, or over 20+ hours a week.I am playing 2/3NL 200max buyin (kinda lame). I'm playing TAG - LAG. I'm seeing maybe on average 25% flops, at fullring.some sessions might be a bit closer to 30%.I have played everyday for the last 14 days, some days are 1 session, some days i play in the morning, and then again at night.These arent stats during the session, these are booked wins, or losses.I havent experienced anything like this yet, i've had a losing week, an up and down week, but these stats are kinda ridiculous, and i'm going to give myself an ulcer. So, please.. to help prep myself for the next 6 months of fulltime play when i move back to north america tell me this isnt "standard"day 1 +$160.00day 2A -450cash,-100for tourneyday 2B +$500day 3A -200day 3B +$665day 4A -300(so lame)day 4B +$550day 5A +$200day 5B +$230 ***($50 (for 1/2 hour) + 300 2nd place sit & go, - 120buyin = $180)Five day total $1255.00day 6A +$280day 6B +$115 (chopped for 1st in 75 sit & go for $250,DNF in 60 MTT)day 7, so sick. -600 in cash (was back to -300 at one point.)-100 tourneyday 8 -100 tourney day off from cash gamesday 9A +$3309B -1209C +$150 in freeroll9D +$240day 9 total = +$600day 10-125 for satelite-600 cashday 11-440 cashday 12+$175day 13+$240day 14A -400day 14B +$490

[RabidTortuga 0]

That looks pretty normal.

[krup24 0]

tough to decipher anything here without number of hands or hours

[Temporary Nuts 1]

My BR, while smaller, experiences similar swings on a session basis. I play probably 30 hours a week, but I *never* play during the day during the week.1) Because I have a real job2) Because people with jobs and no money problems aren't throwing their money away during these hours.Also, if you're seeing 25% of flops at full ring... you're going to experience a lot of variance by the nature of how you're playing.

[No_Neck 0]

2) Because people with jobs and no money problems aren't throwing their money away during these hours.

not true, there are less but people from other parts of the world are horrible gamblers.(it is always 6:00pm somewhere)

[Temporary Nuts 1]

not true, there are less but people from other parts of the world are horrible gamblers.(it is always 6:00pm somewhere)

True... but he's prepping to deal with American traffic... and I'm fairly sure America's got the highest number of idiots with money.If I were to quit my job to play cards I'd get up at 3 p.m. every day and play 5 p.m. to 2 in the morning straight through (eastern time)

[Willing 2 Die 0]

yea, i think you're playing too many flops Royal. Tighten up a bit and i'm sure you'll see different results.

[NoSup4U 0]

The laggier you are, the swingier your results are going to be. 30% vpip is laggy for a 6 max player, I image its suuuuuper laggy for a FR player!Mark

[Sheiky 0]

I don't really think you can comment about the amount of flops he's playing.A) 25% is a standard %, maybe i'm wrong but i don't think Royal thinks that's a precise/accurate/exact figure.B) Every table is a different situation, Royal's ran $250 up to 10k so is obviously a very good player, maybe his style could be more profitable, but he's 100% better to judge how he is playing in general than we are.

[No_Neck 0]

no offense but the data you have given us isn't really good enough to give you any real advice.I think you might want to think about a stop loss because your loses seem to be larger than your wins, which I would think would be from playing bad due to tilting.

[mtdesmoines 2]

I'm writing this with a completely open mind, open for any replies.

When I run bad, I start to play bad. I have to stop playing, get two good night's sleep, get in a couple really hard workouts, get laid, and then I tighten up massively until I get it turned around and start playing better AND making better reads. Somehow, it all comes around again.

[Royal_Tour 0]

no offense but the data you have given us isn't really good enough to give you any real advice.I think you might want to think about a stop loss because your loses seem to be larger than your wins, which I would think would be from playing bad due to tilting.

I know its a small sample, but I've never played this many hours & sessions in a row. And was wondering if these types of swings are common amongst fulltimers.when i did the fulltime run to 10k it was like 25-30 hours a week. or roughly 4 sessions, and It seemed to go a lot smoother than these past 2 weeks have gone.i have my stopped losses at 3bi's, although i agree with tilting. a few times i've let my ego get in the way when i should have walked away.

[Royal_Tour 0]

The laggier you are, the swingier your results are going to be. 30% vpip is laggy for a 6 max player, I image its suuuuuper laggy for a FR player!Mark

Does it matter if you're seeing less hands per hour and the value of hands goes up? I find a lot of times i'm throwing in a call preflop simply because of the extreme value and implied odds i'm getting. I try and talk myself out of playing the way the table wants me too tho

but he's 100% better to judge how he is playing in general than we are.

1 thing i have noticed is when i'm stuck during the morning and return at night, i return with rage.I actually seem to be super in the zone out of sheer anger from my morning session and make some pretty sick reads.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Does it matter if you're seeing less hands per hour and the value of hands goes up?

Fewer hands per hour is inherent in live play. Playing looser to be involved in more hands simply so you have a chance to win more pots is a pretty big error IMHO. If you want more hands per hour, play online. Your FR standards should be the same at a FR online table or a FR live table.You really should keep track of hours and not just amounts. Your hourly rate is what you wanna pay attention to overall if you're a live player, since it's a determination of how effectively you're beating the game and if your time is being well spent. (Total winnings - expenses)/HoursAlso, if you're really gonna do this seriously, take a notepad or something and scribble down your hands and what you do with them. Nothing complex, but at a bare min, make a little matrix for each orbit and write in your hand and whether or not you play it and your net for the hand or something. Playing 30% of hands is insane at a FR table. A laggy style there should be playing around 20-23% and TAG is more like 17-20% I think.

[JoblessBast 0]

I'm kind of curious why you wrote things like "so lame" and "so sick" next to some of the losing sessions. I know that losing is not fun and all but surely you know that it has to happen sometimes. 3 buy-ins can be painful but it seems to be a good stop-loss and it looks like you never crossed that threshold. But a buy-in and a half is really nothing to be concerned about.Regarding the swings, I think it is largely due to playing as many hands as you are. And as others have said, more data is needed. But try tightening the screws a bit and see how your results fare.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Fewer hands per hour is inherent in live play. Playing looser to be involved in more hands simply so you have a chance to win more pots is a pretty big error IMHO. If you want more hands per hour, play online. Your FR standards should be the same at a FR online table or a FR live table.You really should keep track of hours and not just amounts. Your hourly rate is what you wanna pay attention to overall if you're a live player, since it's a determination of how effectively you're beating the game and if your time is being well spent. (Total winnings - expenses)/HoursAlso, if you're really gonna do this seriously, take a notepad or something and scribble down your hands and what you do with them. Nothing complex, but at a bare min, make a little matrix for each orbit and write in your hand and whether or not you play it and your net for the hand or something. Playing 30% of hands is insane at a FR table. A laggy style there should be playing around 20-23% and TAG is more like 17-20% I think.

Ya, i think i'm closer to 22-25% the 30% is only on rare occasions, but there have been a few games where i've probably played close to that for a little bit.mostly situational. tighter tables live where there is 4 or 5 people limping to the flop and i'm in late position with suited connecting cards etc...probably not good poker practice and something i should stop doing.

I'm kind of curious why you wrote things like "so lame" and "so sick" next to some of the losing sessions. I know that losing is not fun and all but surely you know that it has to happen sometimes. 3 buy-ins can be painful but it seems to be a good stop-loss and it looks like you never crossed that threshold. But a buy-in and a half is really nothing to be concerned about.Regarding the swings, I think it is largely due to playing as many hands as you are. And as others have said, more data is needed. But try tightening the screws a bit and see how your results fare.

Um, those are sessions where i am up like 300 or 400 after an hour or two and then end up stuck on the day

[Sheiky 0]

Does it matter if you're seeing less hands per hour and the value of hands goes up? I find a lot of times i'm throwing in a call preflop simply because of the extreme value and implied odds i'm getting. I try and talk myself out of playing the way the table wants me too tho1 thing i have noticed is when i'm stuck during the morning and return at night, i return with rage.I actually seem to be super in the zone out of sheer anger from my morning session and make some pretty sick reads.

1.Lose one buy in in the morning2.Come back in the evening3.ProfitSeriously though, i think the thing you may be suffering from is that you're adjusting to a new lifestyle/country and maybe your doubting yourself a bit because your not sure whether you can cut it or not.You seem to be a pretty confident guy from the posts i've read, so back yourself to play for a sustained period of time (i mean in terms of months) and see where you after after that. If your worrying about whether you should even be in Australia or not while your playing poker for a living there, i think your play will suffer.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Seriously though, i think the thing you may be suffering from is that you're adjusting to a new lifestyle/country and maybe your doubting yourself a bit because your not sure whether you can cut it or not.

I hope so, thanks for the tips NL strat family.

[dscoot 0]

you seem to have much more losses in your A sessions than your B sessions. the hours of 7am-1pm can very often be horrible to make a living, as the ratio of good players is so much higher than other hours of the day.you should already have figured this out from common sense, but now u have your own results to back up this idea:"Dont Play during those shitty hours!!"i also prefer having a 1buyin stop loss. if u just cant commit to this maybe make 2buyins a new stop, 3 just seems way too much. with only a 1buyin stopping point, your bad days are never too bad. keep in mind mental health is a big key in poker also in life. also, sometimes u bust out of your entire buyin quickly, then it is like you have the rest of the day off to do something fun, relax, or whatever. kinda like calling off work for the day. plus, when u frequently lose 2 or 3 buyins, those sessions where u just grind and possibly win 80bucks in 4hours become much less satisfactory, wich may cause u to blow off these small winning sessions by trying to press and win at least one complete buyin

[Acid_Knight 2]

A 1-buyin stop loss is pretty ridiculous as you can get unlucky in any one hand and get stacked.For the more part, unless you have tilt issues, I think that stop-loss limits are often kind of silly. If you recognize that the game is good and you're playing well enough to beat it, then you should stay for as long as you feel like playing. The minute you see your edge disappear, whether it's from being there too long, losing too much money or whatever, it's time to go. It shouldn't matter how much you're up or down, it's all 1 session anyway.

[Ouch-8s 5]

Playing looser to be involved in more hands simply so you have a chance to win more pots is a pretty big error IMHO... ...Your FR standards should be the same at a FR online table or a FR live table.

I'm not sure about this statement.In my experience, you can play a lot more hands at 1-2NL live because:1) that $10-15 raise from EP is going to get called in 5 spots before it gets to you, or1b) that EP limp is going to trigger a series of limps that are rarely attacked by LP players,2) people @ 1-2NL are WAY more likely to stack off with marginal hands, improving (implied) odds further,3) the ability to read players is so much greater (for me) live than online, I'm far more comfortable in marginal situations,4) gotta get those chips off that donkey in the 4-hole before someone else does :)Playing looser to be involved in more hands so you have a chance to win BIGGER pots is how I would put it, I suppose. I suspect this is not true as you move up in limits, but it works for me at mine...

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'm not sure about this statement.

He basically said that since he sees fewer hands due to the slower nature of play, he's more apt to become involved since he has fewer chances. That kind of translates to: I'm kinda bored so I'm gonna spalsh around a little.The value of hands does not change simply because there are fewer of them.

[Zach6668 513]

4) gotta get those chips off that donkey in the 4-hole before someone else does

Not sure if you're kidding on this one or not, but I want to point out that it is somewhat flawed thinking.If you're making -EV decisions to get some players chips before someone else does, you're just gambling, and gambling poorly.You don't need to take an individual's chips, you only need to win money from the collective group of opponents you play. If you don't happen to run into that perfect hand to bust the donk today, there'll be a new one tomorrow.Long run baby.

[Ouch-8s 5]

The value of hands does not change simply because there are fewer of them.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, certainly. But that doesn't mean the value of hands doesn't increase in a live setting, where there happen to be fewer of them. But yeah, I'm not suggesting splashing around because you're bored.

[Ouch-8s 5]

Not sure if you're kidding on this one or not, but I want to point out that it is somewhat flawed thinking.If you're making -EV decisions to get some players chips before someone else does, you're just gambling, and gambling poorly.You don't need to take an individual's chips, you only need to win money from the collective group of opponents you play. If you don't happen to run into that perfect hand to bust the donk today, there'll be a new one tomorrow.Long run baby.

Yeah, the last one was mostly a joke. I say mostly because, as I said, I'm far more comfortable in marginal situations live than online, and I will certainly look to play more hands against players that I can manipulate.However, I don't really 'rush to take that guys chips' because, never mind tomorrow, if he busts another 'that guy' is just itching to take his seat.