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[wisky_VI]

Cash game NL holdem 1/2 six players $50 buy in to start-rebuys ok.I'm UTG and raise to 6 with A8 spades. UTG +1 folds, CO aka calling station calls, dealer folds, SB aka ultra loose aggr raises 10 more, bb folds, I call,cs calls. At this point there's 50 in pot and I have say 30 chips left.**NOTE**ultraloose aggr player in game raises often and pot amounts or beyond repeatedly. He calls/bets/raises after most any flop which he raised unless low on chips. Calling station guy......well enough said. I've played a few hours will calling station guy and a ton with other four players. a raise to 5 or even 6 chips really in this game hardly has much effect, only when loose aggr guy was out several racks did the larger betting come back to 'normal'. Anyways.......FLOP A clubs,8 clubs, 5 redWith my fear of the flush draw instead of a check with cr in mind or small bet I push all in. To my surprise neither player calls so I take down the pot right there but not sure if to feel good or bad. Good play or did I miss a solid chance to double/triple all my chips ?Opinions ?

[Rocketwadster]

Well, first off I would say that ace 8 is not a hand that I would always play from UTG with six players, even when suited (I'm pretty tight in home games though). However, depending on chip stacks and all that, lets say I did play it.You have hit one of the best flops you could get with your hand. The raise pre-flop by SB does not indicate that this flop has hit him, unless he has aces. The chances of that are slim here in my mind. Calling station is the one you have to be worried about here. Without knowing whether this is before or after the re-buy period has ended is not moot in my mind. You have a strong holding, but not enough chips left to do anything but to go all-in. I don't think a check-raise is an option either, as you may run the risk of giving a free card to your opponents. Push 'em all in here if it is before the rebuy period has ended, and see what happens. If the rebuy period has ended, depending on what your personal playstyle is, you can either push all-in here or check to see what your opponents do. Any bet you put in has you pot committed anyhow, so if one of your competitors pushes you all-in, you can make your decision then as to what to do (fold and live another day or go for it).Just my three cents :wink:

[wisky_VI]

Some info for RW and others.wild man 95% of the time won't slowplay the goods preflop, though with a big hand 50% of the time he might just call to trap and then hammer after the flop. the other 5% of the time he has a tell.... 8) rebuys are up to the person, basically our rule of thumb is when down to half buy in you can buy again over and over and over so the only way to get huge on chips is too win. would probably do $100 buy in but it may get the game out of a comfortable realm for a couple participants.

[Devilkin]

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I'm UTG and raise to 6 with A8 spades.

A8s UTG is not a raising hand, in my opinion. Call with it, perhaps call a small raise (except in the case of your loose agressive - call a fair raise with him).The flop is very good to you (Ace, reasonable kicker) but the flush possibility is out there. You have to bet not only to protect your hand, but to push out smaller pairs (perhaps a TT or 99 is sitting out there hoping to trip up), and make flush draws pay for their card.If this was a rainbow flop, I might try the C/R, but since there is a chance of flush, I have to bet it out.Dev

[creepy20]

just a question for thought:I probably would of played the hand the same way you did because I'd rather take down 50 dollars right there than risk making a tough decision if another spade dropped...the question I had was you said that the aggressive player bets most everything post-flop if he raised coming in, right? If this is the case and you are certain that he is going to make a stab at it then I say go ahead and check-raise. If he checks along too then hope a spade doesn't fall and move in on the turn. just my 4 cents

[JFarrell20]

Yes you have to move in considering you only have 30 left and there's 50 in the pot.However, don't raise UTG with A8s if you anticipate that loose guy raising you. Do you see what happened? He re-raised you and you ended up in a large pot with 2 callers now with a nominal hand. Don't do that.Tend to sneak in with good hands and let the loose guy bet it for you.EDIT: Most people are saying don't raise with A8s UTG. I disagree. At most 6-handed tables this play is +EV. However, in this case, with the guy who raises a lot, raising doesn't do much, so just sneak in.

[wisky_VI]

JFarrell20 said:

Yes you have to move in considering you only have 30 left and there's 50 in the pot.However, don't raise UTG with A8s if you anticipate that loose guy raising you. Do you see what happened? He re-raised you and you ended up in a large pot with 2 callers now with a nominal hand. Don't do that.Tend to sneak in with good hands and let the loose guy bet it for you.EDIT: Most people are saying don't raise with A8s UTG. I disagree. At most 6-handed tables this play is +EV. However, in this case, with the guy who raises a lot, raising doesn't do much, so just sneak in.

agreed, started doing that later in the game as this was somewhat early.played a very similar hand to this one later and slowplayed it somewhat,only bet out 1/3 of the pot on each street and got sucked out for a flush

[srblan]

Devilkin said:

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I'm UTG and raise to 6 with A8 spades.

A8s UTG is not a raising hand, in my opinion. Call with it, perhaps call a small raise (except in the case of your loose agressive - call a fair raise with him).The flop is very good to you (Ace, reasonable kicker) but the flush possibility is out there. You have to bet not only to protect your hand, but to push out smaller pairs (perhaps a TT or 99 is sitting out there hoping to trip up), and make flush draws pay for their card.If this was a rainbow flop, I might try the C/R, but since there is a chance of flush, I have to bet it out.Dev

Short handed, it's not a terrible play since if you flop a 4-flush, it will often create a pot that's big enough for you to draw to your flush. Additionally, it could often be the best hand. In a game with blinds this low, I'm probably limping a lot, taking a lot of flops. If there is a guy constantly raising, my hand selection gets a bit tighter, but not much if the money is deep enough. A question about the SB: is he capable of slowplaying a set? It sets off a red flag for me when someone who is constantly betting and raising decides to check. People that have a constant pattern are often trapping when they deviate from that pattern. If SB is capable of slowplaying a set (this flop would be one of the worst possible to do that, but you never said he was smart), then you might proceed cautiously if you had more money in front of you. With only 30 behind, you are not deep enough to get really hurt in this pot. If he has a set of 5s, you've still got 4 whole outs to beat him. With 8s, you're drawing to 2, a lousy situation, but at least you're not totally dead.That said, if he's trapping you, rap the table, say "Ni han, sir," and pull out your wallet. With 50 in the pot and 30 in your stack, you're not getting away from that hand. You have a strong, but vulnerable hand and not enough chips to protect it (realistically, having to call 30 to win 80 prices a LOT of hands and draws in). If you try to get cute with the hand, you will end up regretting it. Just shove in your stack and hope someone with one pair calls.Believe it or not, someone with a flush draw would be correct to call (this is the problem with your preflop raise) they are a 2:1 dog getting 2.7:1 to call. You don't have a big enough stack to protect your hand from a flush, and in many games it wouldn't matter anyway - those are the games where you'd want to push the hand hoping a flush draw calls. Yes, 35% of the time, you'll lose, but if they call getting worse than 2:1, you are making money.If you knew that you were going to make a hand with your suited ace, but that you were going to be up against a draw, you'd want to keep the pot as small as possible to prevent laying odds against that draw. As Sklansky illustrates, the way that you make money is by forcing your opponent to make improper calls. By building a pot that you are unable to protect with your stack, you will often force a loose, gambling opponent to make a correct play, despite his best efforts (and yours).

[Absolute]

JFarrell20 said:

Yes you have to move in considering you only have 30 left and there's 50 in the pot.However, don't raise UTG with A8s if you anticipate that loose guy raising you. Do you see what happened? He re-raised you and you ended up in a large pot with 2 callers now with a nominal hand. Don't do that.Tend to sneak in with good hands and let the loose guy bet it for you.EDIT: Most people are saying don't raise with A8s UTG. I disagree. At most 6-handed tables this play is +EV. However, in this case, with the guy who raises a lot, raising doesn't do much, so just sneak in.

I know your avatar is from an SNL skit, but does anyone else find this avatar creepy and homoerotic?

[Devilkin]

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I know your avatar is from an SNL skit, but does anyone else find this avatar creepy and homoerotic?

So in other words, its perfect for him . . .;)Dev

[Devilkin]

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EDIT: Most people are saying don't raise with A8s UTG. I disagree. At most 6-handed tables this play is +EV. However, in this case, with the guy who raises a lot, raising doesn't do much, so just sneak in.

I missed the fact that this was 6 handed - this makes a major difference. JFarrel makes a good point that you could raise, but why do that when you are fairly sure there will be a raise ahead of you anyway?Dev

[Rocketwadster]

[quote]I know your avatar is from an SNL skit, but does anyone else find this  avatar creepy and homoerotic?[/quote]and just what does your avatar tell us about you? hmmmmm? :wink: [/quote]

[Absolute]

that i like the arcade fire?

[JFarrell20]

[quote=Rocketwadster][quote]I know your avatar is from an SNL skit, but does anyone else find this avatar creepy and homoerotic?[/quote]and just what does your avatar tell us about you? hmmmmm? :wink: [/quote][/quote]Yeah man... what the hell is your avatar?And creepy and homoerotic... didn't you used to have a pic of Andy Warhol ?Jeez talk about the pot calling the kettle black.Oh, but yeah, I'm a gay man.Patrick Swayze is my queen of hearts.

[Absolute]

Who said you were gay?Well, I think maybe you just did!

[JFarrell20]

I am gay, I like men's packages in my mouth.Did you not hear me?That's why I have a homoerotic picture of Patrick Swayze as my avatar, I told you he's my queen of hearts.Wanna be gay with me?

[Absolute]

JFarrell20 said:

I am gay, I like men's packages in my mouth.Did you not hear me?That's why I have a homoerotic picture of Patrick Swayze as my avatar, I told you he's my queen of hearts.Wanna be gay with me?

its nice to see that you took Psych 101.im fooled!

[JFarrell20]

Absolute said:

JFarrell20 said:

I am gay, I like men's packages in my mouth.Did you not hear me?That's why I have a homoerotic picture of Patrick Swayze as my avatar, I told you he's my queen of hearts.Wanna be gay with me?

its nice to see that you took Psych 101.im fooled!

I didn't take Psych 101 but this girl I met at a GLAAD meeting told me she took Dyke 101.She mistakenly went to a class called "Bikes 101" for the first three weeks until she realized she was in the wrong class. She assumed she was in the correct class because everyone in Bikes 101 had mullets, just like she imagined the people would be in her Dyke 101 class. She had no idea they even taught classes about dirt bikes at the University level. :? None of this changed the fact that I like poles, not holes. It's just a funny story about some dyke.

[wisky_VI]

Threadjackers !!! :evil:

[JFarrell20]

Come on man...I know everyone hates me on this forum but that last post of mine was funny, I don't care if nobody seconds that."I didn't know they taught courses in dirt bikes at the university level"You can add that to the middle of any anecdote and it will get a laugh.