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[Royal_Tour]

2/3NL 8 players.

stacks are all 300+

UTG - 600
Hero - 300
C/O - 400



the table is about 6/8 good players , with 2 donks.


I'm not in the hand, but I know the cards of everyone in this spot and just wondering what you guys would do if you're the hero here.

Hero UTG+1 with AA.

UTG limp, hero raise to 17. C/O calls 17, UTG call.

3 players.

flop Ac, Kc, 2s

utg check, hero bet 20, C/O call 20. UTG raise to 80.

hero?

[Influcted]

I would flatcall and lead at the turn again.

[whiterice714]

ram & jam...


off the top of my head i'd assume UTG has 222 CO club draw, possibly like JcTc or something...

maybe UTG has A K...


i think i make it $180

w/ the objective being to ultimately make it all in obv

[nomad_monad]

i'd bet more on this flop than 20 into a ~50 pot against 2 other players

as played, it sort of depends on who UTG and CO are. are they the good players, the donks, or 1 of each?

without knowing that, i go ahead and put in another raise here to 180. we don't want CO coming along on this draw-ish board.
as for UTG's range, i'm thinking A2, 22, AK, Ax, and a squeeze (either semibluff w/JTs, naked flush draw, or occasionally complete air).
he's never folding 22. he's probably not firing the turn with an Ax that isn't two pair, plus a lot of cards come that can freeze him. he might fire again with a draw if he misses, but then again he might not, and we really screw ourselves if it hits.

thus we should really focus on playing this hand to maximize against A2/AK, which might not be able to get away if we make the right flop raise, but could do so if we smooth call and action-killing cards arrive on the turn (not to mention the CO could hit a draw). depending on how good he is, he might fold AK (but more likely A2) to a shove, so the reraise to 180 puts him to a raise-or-fold decision that he could mess up for either of those hands. good players should realize that the repop to 180 is the pretty much the same thing as a shove, but even then, they don't always fold the same % of times as when facing a shove.

as for the draws, JTs is probably shoving, and if villain is decent, other draws are probably folding (since a call commits him to the pot playing a draw passively - awful) even though the odds we'd be giving would be somewhat decent. but who knows, he might call, and that would be kind of sucky. which is why betting 40ish on the flop would've been better, because when he'd have to check-raise bigger and commit himself to calling our reraise, meaning we wouldn't have to go through this touchy reraise sizing exercise.

[Dubey]

at a live 2/3 game, I'd just shovel them all here. UTG likes his hand, may as well get all the money in now before a scare card comes and slows you down.

[NoBBiR]

Shove sounds right to me.

[Royal_Tour]

i'd bet more on this flop than 20 into a ~50 pot against 2 other players

as played, it sort of depends on who UTG and CO are. are they the good players, the donks, or 1 of each?

without knowing that, i go ahead and put in another raise here to 180. we don't want CO coming along on this draw-ish board.
as for UTG's range, i'm thinking A2, 22, AK, Ax, and a squeeze (either semibluff w/JTs, naked flush draw, or occasionally complete air).
he's never folding 22. he's probably not firing the turn with an Ax that isn't two pair, plus a lot of cards come that can freeze him. he might fire again with a draw if he misses, but then again he might not, and we really screw ourselves if it hits.

thus we should really focus on playing this hand to maximize against A2/AK, which might not be able to get away if we make the right flop raise, but could do so if we smooth call and action-killing cards arrive on the turn (not to mention the CO could hit a draw). depending on how good he is, he might fold AK (but more likely A2) to a shove, so the reraise to 180 puts him to a raise-or-fold decision that he could mess up for either of those hands. good players should realize that the repop to 180 is the pretty much the same thing as a shove, but even then, they don't always fold the same % of times as when facing a shove.

as for the draws, JTs is probably shoving, and if villain is decent, other draws are probably folding (since a call commits him to the pot playing a draw passively - awful) even though the odds we'd be giving would be somewhat decent. but who knows, he might call, and that would be kind of sucky. which is why betting 40ish on the flop would've been better, because when he'd have to check-raise bigger and commit himself to calling our reraise, meaning we wouldn't have to go through this touchy reraise sizing exercise.

Nomad, seriously you always scare me with your strat posts.

well done here with your overall outlook on the hand.

[mtdesmoines]

2/3NL 8 players.
stacks are all 300+
UTG - 600
Hero - 300
C/O - 400
the table is about 6/8 good players , with 2 donks.
I'm not in the hand, but I know the cards of everyone in this spot and just wondering what you guys would do if you're the hero here.
Hero UTG+1 with AA.
UTG limp, hero raise to 17. C/O calls 17, UTG call.
3 players.
flop Ac, Kc, 2s
utg check, hero bet 20, C/O call 20. UTG raise to 80.
hero?

I think hero is shortest stack, so he should shove. The other two villains might shove behind to build a side pot.

[David_Nicoson]

I don't like the weak lead on the flop. What is the hero trying to represent? "I have JJ and I hate this flop. Did everybody miss this coordinated broadway flop? And if so, could I have the pot please? Oh wait, I flat call that big reraise." I play this hand fast regardless, but I can't really see continuing with any sort of deception after that lead.

What's the villain supposed to make of a big raise OOP, weak lead a scary flop with an ace, and then a flat call? Are we trying to sell a draw there?

Without knowing which players are the donks, I bet more on the flop and reraise the flop as played. AINEC, imho.

[Acid_Knight]

I don't like the weak lead on the flop. What is the hero trying to represent? "I have JJ and I hate this flop. Did everybody miss this coordinated broadway flop? And if so, could I have the pot please? Oh wait, I flat call that big reraise." I play this hand fast regardless, but I can't really see continuing with any sort of deception after that lead.

What's the villain supposed to make of a big raise OOP, weak lead a scary flop with an ace, and then a flat call? Are we trying to sell a draw there?

Without knowing which players are the donks, I bet more on the flop and reraise the flop as played. AINEC, imho.

I agree with all of this. Your hand is AK at worst and more likely AA or KK if you do that weak lead crap and then continue after being raised, so I'd just go ahead and raise ot like $170 total, which is basically a minraise back at the guy who raised you. I think it's a fun move here.

[Royal_Tour]

I agree with all of this. Your hand is AK at worst and more likely AA or KK if you do that weak lead crap and then continue after being raised, so I'd just go ahead and raise ot like $170 total, which is basically a minraise back at the guy who raised you. I think it's a fun move here.

this wasnt my hand dink, I sat back and watched and tried to see where everyone was at i nthe hand and how i would play things.

i posted to see if we're all on the same page.

[Acid_Knight]

this wasnt my hand dink, I sat back and watched and tried to see where everyone was at i nthe hand and how i would play things.

i posted to see if we're all on the same page.

So sorry I referred to "you" instead of "hero." Does it really make a difference?