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[wrto4556]

I seen a few posts where people are talking about going for overcalls. So, I decided to post something, well, because im bored.Going for overcalls shouldn't happen very often. Most of the time when you are in a hand you should be betting and/or raising. Cold calling preflop is bad most of the time, check/calling is bad most of the time, and calling behind a better when you have a strong hand is bad most of the time.A player should tend to go for overcalls when:a) He is not sure he has the original bettor beat andB) He is sure he has everone else behind him beat.This is the most common scenario to go for overcalls. Also, if you think the bettor is bluffing and will not call a raise and you have people to act behind you that are loose/passive, you should just call and let all the other, unsophisticated players come in. The pot has to be small for this to work, but in bigger pots we should play aggressive.There are a few examples of when to go for overcalls in SSHE but they are far from prime. One is decent. It says when you have a one card straight and someone bets into you you should call as long as there are a loose player(s) to act behind you.This whole concept comes from the fact that you have to be good 2/3 of the time to raise a river. If someone bets and you *think* you have the best, if you raise you could get 3-bet. So, by raising you win 2 when you are ahead but lose 3 when you are behind. Therefore, you have to have the best hand 2/3 of the time to make raising correct. Well, if you aren't sure if you have the bettor beat 2/3 of the time and you have people to act behind you, you should go for overcalls. You don't have to have the best hand nearly as much.Say you have AJ and the final board is T8972® and someone in early position bets into you. You have 4 people to act behind you who are all loose/passive players. If you raise, you make 2 bets when you are ahead (or you split, which cuts into your win percent) and lose 3 when you are behind. But, if you just call, you lose 1 when you are behind and win 1-5 when you are ahead. Clearly you can see the benefits to calling instead of raising with the straight even if you believe to be best more than 2/3 of the time.To continue, overcalls happen most frequently on the river. If you have a good hand(especially on the fop) you should raise even if you think you will get 3-bet. You drive out opponents and increase your chance to win the pot.

[wrto4556]

Whiffed?

[Absolute]

strike one

[obs]

What about on the turn when you hit your monster, are bet into on your immediate right, and have 2-4 people to act behind you. Like you hit your nut flush or straight on the turn and the pot is small (4-6BB).

[wrto4556]

When the pot is small, it's correct.

[Vade]

I like it, though it is a relatively rarely used piece of strat

[DKE_XP120]

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

[allinbluff35]

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

he's been smoking a lot of pole lately

[Absolute]

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

life blog?thats the funniest shit ive heard in a whilei cant imagine reading anyones life blogsometimes i read daniels journal and start to feel weirdif weird = gay

[DKE_XP120]

allinbluff35 said:

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

he's been smoking a lot of pole lately

At least i'm clued in on the life part,,,, what about the strategy

[DKE_XP120]

Absolute said:

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

life blog?thats the funniest censored ive heard in a whilei cant imagine reading anyones life blogsometimes i read daniels journal and start to feel weirdif weird = gay

More or less poker life, not like, I went swimming today, though I beleive he's talked about it before :oops:

[wrto4556]

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

I might delete those. I really don't have the time to update them. Actually, I do. :-) Im just a slacker when it comes to things that aren't directly related to poker.I might keep the strat one up....who knows.

[BeanGW]

WRTO: This is awesome stuff. Just wanted to say thanks!

[srblan]

Nice post. A little to add. One of the most common mistakes that people make overcalling is calling when they know that they can beat the original raiser, but they are not sure they can beat everyone else. If you have a weak hand that you know can beat the aggressor, but probably can't beat another player in the hand, get out. Sometimes you will fold the winner, but you will much more frequently just be a donor.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

I might delete those. I really don't have the time to update them. Actually, I do. :-) Im just a slacker when it comes to things that aren't directly related to poker.I might keep the strat one up....who knows.

yeah, I've gotten lazy on it too

[Absolute]

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 said:

DKE_XP120 said:

Shouldnt this be in your strategy blog... which has been updated about as recently as your life blog.. way to be a slacker

I might delete those. I really don't have the time to update them. Actually, I do. :-) Im just a slacker when it comes to things that aren't directly related to poker.I might keep the strat one up....who knows.

yeah, I've gotten lazy on it too

just tell me you dont have one of those "life blogs" keith

[KDawgCometh]

naw, cause I only have a shell of a life. THere's not much more for me to say, I woke up, played poker for three to four hours, watched TV, played some more poker, and then went out to the bars, or Xperson's house, went home checked FCP&2+2 and went to sleep. not exactly exciting stuff

[Absolute]

KDawgCometh said:

naw, cause I only have a shell of a life. THere's not much more for me to say, I woke up, played poker for three to four hours, watched TV, played some more poker, and then went out to the bars, or Xperson's house, went home checked FCP&2+2 and went to sleep. not exactly exciting stuff

what about the lucky mrs. kdawg

[KDawgCometh]

Absolute said:

KDawgCometh said:

naw, cause I only have a shell of a life. THere's not much more for me to say, I woke up, played poker for three to four hours, watched TV, played some more poker, and then went out to the bars, or Xperson's house, went home checked FCP&2+2 and went to sleep. not exactly exciting stuff

what about the lucky mrs. kdawg

you mean the one that's attached to my wrist?, she's good. I have had a bad go at love in life, much of it my own doing. NOthing ever of more then a night or two. The past five years I had a job in which I didn't really want a decent girl to have involvement for her own safety. if you connect the dots then It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what that "job" might've been. BTW, I was definetly no small timer either with said job

[allinbluff35]

you mean the one that's attached to my wrist?, she's good. I have had a bad go at love in life, much of it my own doing. NOthing ever of more then a night or two. The past five years I had a job in which I didn't really want a decent girl to have involvement for her own safety. if you connect the dots then It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what that "job" might've been. BTW, I was definetly no small timer either with said jobslinging it