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[Sheiky]

PokerStars Game #12857577000: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.04/$0.08) - 2007/10/26 - 13:09:42 (ET)Table 'Summa' 8-maxSeat 1: anfoje ($1.60 in chips) Seat 3: Vdoank ($0.08 in chips) Seat 4: GradeLeet ($0.50 in chips) Seat 6: izak555 ($1.39 in chips) Seat 7: Bowman90 ($1.70 in chips) Seat 8: tonyfro ($1.82 in chips) anfoje: posts the ante $0.01Vdoank: posts the ante $0.01GradeLeet: posts the ante $0.01izak555: posts the ante $0.01Bowman90: posts the ante $0.01tonyfro: posts the ante $0.01*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to anfoje [9s]Dealt to Vdoank [Td]Dealt to GradeLeet [5h]Dealt to izak555 [3d]Dealt to Bowman90 [8s 9d 9c]Dealt to tonyfro [8d]izak555: brings in for $0.02Bowman90: raises $0.02 to $0.04tonyfro: folds anfoje: calls $0.04Vdoank: raises $0.03 to $0.07 and is all-inSTaRRoTS has returnedGradeLeet: calls $0.07izak555: calls $0.05Bowman90: calls $0.03anfoje: calls $0.03*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to anfoje [9s] [6c]Dealt to Vdoank [Td] [4c]Dealt to GradeLeet [5h] [Ts]Dealt to izak555 [3d] [6d]Dealt to Bowman90 [8s 9d 9c] [3s]GradeLeet: checks izak555: checks Bowman90: checks anfoje: checks *** 5th STREET ***Dealt to anfoje [9s 6c] [Ac]Dealt to Vdoank [Td 4c] [Jc]Dealt to GradeLeet [5h Ts] [Kc]Dealt to izak555 [3d 6d] [3c]Dealt to Bowman90 [8s 9d 9c 3s] [7d]izak555: checks Bowman90: checks anfoje: checks GradeLeet: checks *** 6th STREET ***Dealt to anfoje [9s 6c Ac] [6h]Dealt to Vdoank [Td 4c Jc] [4d]Dealt to GradeLeet [5h Ts Kc] [7c]Dealt to izak555 [3d 6d 3c] [7s]Dealt to Bowman90 [8s 9d 9c 3s 7d] [Ks]anfoje: checks GradeLeet: checks izak555: bets $0.08Bowman90: calls $0.08anfoje: calls $0.08GradeLeet: folds *** RIVER ***Dealt to Bowman90 [8s 9d 9c 3s 7d Ks] [Qd]anfoje: checks izak555: checks Bowman90: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***anfoje: shows [Qs 8c 9s 6c Ac 6h 4s] (a pair of Sixes)izak555: shows [Qc 7h 3d 6d 3c 7s 6s] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)Bowman90: mucks hand izak555 collected $0.23 from side potVdoank: mucks hand izak555 collected $0.39 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $0.65 Main pot $0.39. Side pot $0.23. | Rake $0.03 Seat 1: anfoje showed [Qs 8c 9s 6c Ac 6h 4s] and lost with a pair of SixesSeat 3: Vdoank mucked [2s Kh Td 4c Jc 4d 9h]Seat 4: GradeLeet folded on the 6th StreetSeat 6: izak555 showed [Qc 7h 3d 6d 3c 7s 6s] and won ($0.62) with two pair, Sevens and SixesSeat 7: Bowman90 mucked [8s 9d 9c 3s 7d Ks Qd]Seat 8: tonyfro folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Sorry for not concerting it, i can't download the converter in the sticky on this comp.Is this standard for stud?

[Cappy37]

fold on third.. there is already another 8 and 9 dead, you aren't likely to be hoping for a "best hand holding up" scenario. You need to improve and are down to 3 obvious outs in the deck to do so.. In fact, the case 9 is the only clear cut winner, because 9's up isn't likely to be the winner at showdown.Fold on third. You 9 upcard also won't translate well into aggressive later street play, because no one is fearing your 9.

[checkymcfold]

Cappy37, on Friday, October 26th, 2007, 5:28 PM, said:

fold on third.. there is already another 8 and 9 dead, you aren't likely to be hoping for a "best hand holding up" scenario. You need to improve and are down to 3 obvious outs in the deck to do so.. In fact, the case 9 is the only clear cut winner, because 9's up isn't likely to be the winner at showdown.Fold on third. You 9 upcard also won't translate well into aggressive later street play, because no one is fearing your 9.

i disagree with this. i'm not sure how micro stud plays, but if you're folding this at any sort of reasonable limit you're not a winning stud player. my line would be thus:raise third, and cap it after the one guy who might be beating you gets all in. bet fourth, and c/f fifth to that many overcards and a paired door card hitting.

[Cappy37]

checkymcfold, on Friday, October 26th, 2007, 6:20 PM, said:

i disagree with this. i'm not sure how micro stud plays, but if you're folding this at any sort of reasonable limit you're not a winning stud player. my line would be thus:raise third, and cap it after the one guy who might be beating you gets all in. bet fourth, and c/f fifth to that many overcards and a paired door card hitting.

In ultra-micro (.01/.02) and $1 tourneys, you are generally going to have to showdown in most scenarios. Thats where the dead outs come into play. Of course, the second he gets into (.05/.1) and up, aggression will make a significant difference in his profitability.