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Started by Cappy37, Oct 25 2007 09:24 PM

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#1 Cappy37

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:24 PM

Anyone know offhand why there are no antes incoporated into Omaha games?

Is it to make it easier in live games to compute pot-sizes? Is it to give short-stack ninjas a slight edge on bubbles? I honestly have no concrete idea, any help appreciated.

Is it that way only on Pokerstars, or something like that?
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:25 PM

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#3 Cappy37

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (BeaverStyle @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because you touch yourself at night.


only because you like to watch..

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:35 PM

I would say you are right about making it difficult to compute pot sizes. Also maybe because you would be able to raise a much larger amount before the flop. It would make the pots much bigger to start with and more like no limit.

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:43 PM

Just a theory but antes are basically there to generate action. With the extra cards dealt out in Omaha action tends to take care of itself due to all the extra possibilities out there. I would think this would make antes less of a necessity in a game like Omaha.

Ps this is written terribly but it basically explains what I mean and I'm busy.

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 09:52 PM

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only because you like to watch..

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 10:41 PM

QUOTE (BeaverStyle @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 01:51 AM

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 02:12 AM

pot limit holdem doesnt have antes either.
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 02:32 AM

cappy the reason they dont have antes in omaha is exactly what you said, well...its sorta both reasons combined. In a pot limit game it would be way too confusing for the dealer to have antes, and you dont really need them in order to create action. i guess if theres anything else you want to know, or if i didnt really explain that clear enough, just let me know.
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 02:42 AM

So no one has a text-book answer for this?

Interesting...
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 03:05 AM

QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 2:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no one has a text-book answer for this?

Interesting...


becouse whats the point of playing a pot limit game if a pot preflop and a bet on the flop are enough to get it all in?
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 04:26 AM

The whole point of pot limit is to avoid the pre-flop/flop push. The very concept is that it's a big part of the game to be able to lay down a big draw or a made hand with no chance to improve when facing a big bet. It's why Omaha is rarely played NL. Same for triple draw games. The game is ruined (even more than HE is ruined) when extreme short stacks can just push early in the hand. Antes in a PL game would have the effect of making everyone short stacked much sooner.

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 10:30 PM

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:20 PM

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 05:51 AM

QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 6:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no one has a text-book answer for this?

Interesting...

antes drive action PLO has enough action without them

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 06:04 AM

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 06:29 AM

From everything i've understood of blinds and antes, they are both used to force or induce action in a game, so people cant just fold the entire tourney or in a cash game fold until they get aces at no expense, obv. In a game like omaha, the game itself creates it's own action. Antes in hold'em do not come in until the middle/later stages of a tournament, essentially to create more urgency for the shorter stacks to play. Shorer stacks dont need that extra push in omaha b/c it is essentially a game designed to create action, more cards = more possibilities
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE (BeaverStyle @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 1:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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