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[sixsixtie]

Anyone give this program a try yet? I just gave the 5 day trail a whirl and I am thinking about ordering it. Its basically just like Gametime+ or Poker Ace except instead of drawing all the information from your poker tracker database it draws it instead from a central server of over 1 million hands. This means as soon as you join the table you have information on almost all of your opponents. Is this even legal? God damn I hope so because unless I hear other wise I will most certainly order a year subscription. The best part about it in my mind is that the hud has 9 spots for you to customize, you can put in the stats for each player that you find to be the most helpful. You can also customize the mouse over section and add 20 different stats!
Anyone else give it a try yet? Howd you like it??

[rdtedm]

Well, it sounds good. Does it show you which cards are going to come out on the community board?

[StupidKid]

How accurate are the numbers? I presume its vpip/pfr/AF etc.
If this was as awesome as it sounded I have a feeling everyone would be using it, the fact that it's made by the poker-edge people doesn't fill me with confidence.

[sixsixtie]

Well, it sounds good. Does it show you which cards are going to come out on the community board?

No you need user363 for that

How accurate are the numbers? I presume its vpip/pfr/AF etc.
If this was as awesome as it sounded I have a feeling everyone would be using it, the fact that it's made by the poker-edge people doesn't fill me with confidence.

From what I've seen fairly accurate. It depends on how many hands they have on each player. For me over 1800 hands they have me at 26% VPIP 16% PFR etc etc. I dont want to write out by hand everything but its all very accurate to how I play. 6 max nl of course.

[Dapper Dan G]

Anyone give this program a try yet? I just gave the 5 day trail a whirl and I am thinking about ordering it. Its basically just like Gametime+ or Poker Ace except instead of drawing all the information from your poker tracker database it draws it instead from a central server of over 1 million hands. This means as soon as you join the table you have information on almost all of your opponents. Is this even legal? God damn I hope so because unless I hear other wise I will most certainly order a year subscription. The best part about it in my mind is that the hud has 9 spots for you to customize, you can put in the stats for each player that you find to be the most helpful. You can also customize the mouse over section and add 20 different stats!
Anyone else give it a try yet? Howd you like it??

sounds pretty illegal to me, having access to hands that you didn't play yourself

[bdc30]

Didn't somebody post on here a bit ago that FT shut down their account for using this program or something very similar to it?

I'd email them before signing up for anything. You know they can just shut down your account and keep your mobneys if they find you in violation of the T&C's.

[StupidKid]

sounds pretty illegal to me,

[Elo and AG]

How accurate are the numbers? I presume its vpip/pfr/AF etc.
If this was as awesome as it sounded I have a feeling everyone would be using it, the fact that it's made by the poker-edge people doesn't fill me with confidence.

What's funny, is that when I enter my user name on Poker Edge, it tells me I'm a BOMB and just went to Poker Crusher and it says that I'm a mouse..... lol...

Seems like the same software basically. I know pokerstars don't want you to use that type of software but on PokerEdge site it tells you how to go undetected..... hmmmm.... suspicious....

[gatortom64]

It's not illegal (unless you get caught)!!!!

[FCP Bob]

There's a good chance that it isn't approved software at many sites.

I suggest you e-mail the sites you play at and ask.

[sixsixtie]

I just read through the t&c at Part and though it was confusing I am pretty sure it doesn't have anything disallowing the use of such programs.

[hblask]

I just read through the t&c at Part and though it was confusing I am pretty sure it doesn't have anything disallowing the use of such programs. My acount will soon be locked.

FYP

[hblask]

From Pokerstars T&C:

# In general, what kinds of programs are prohibited?
#

1. Any program that shares hole card data with other players or programs is colluding, and is prohibited.
2. Any program that works off of a central database of player profiles is prohibited.
3. Any program that plays without human intervention (a "bot") or reduces the requirement of a human playing. For instance, an "auto-folder" is prohibited.

[hblask]

From Full Tilt's website:

Acceptable programs generally serve to help you calculate odds or to track the behavior of players that you’ve sat with at a table. As a rule of thumb, prohibited programs include those which share hole card information, compile information on players that you have not yet played with, or any “bots” or programs that play without human intervention.


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I don't know that I'd play on sites that allow this. Not that I think many players would be able to make good use of the information, but instead that it shows a weak policy toward cheating if they allow it.

[sixsixtie]

Ok so stars and full tilt are out. It still works for a number of other sites.

[davezz5]

I wanted to try out bodog and poker edge had a 3 month trial offer if you deposit $50 on Bodog. I hardly ever play PS, except for the odd f.c.p horse the last few tuesdays. I used it once observing a table and got warned not to use it again.

[davezz5]

Hello,

Upon a review of your account, we find that you are running an
external application known as Poker Sherlock, or its related
applications, Poker Edge, PokerBotPro, Holdem Hawk and Holdem Pirate. We detected this use at some point over the past 5 or 6 weeks, and are sending out the warnings in bulk today.

These programs may be on your hard drive in these locations:

C:\Program Files\Hold'em Pirate\S_MinerX.exe
C:\Program Files\Hold'em Hawk\S_MinerX.exe
C:\Program Files\PE\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\Poker\PokerEdge\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\PokerBotPro\PokerBotPro.exe

Use of these applications is against the terms of service to which you agreed when opening your PokerStars account. Those terms of service are located here:

http://www.pokerstars.com/tos.html

Among them are these terms:

5.4 EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars
prohibits External player assistance programs ("EPA
Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair
Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines External to
mean computer software (other than the PokerStars game
client provided by PokerStars), and non-software-based
databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription
services). PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a
User accessing or compiling information on other players
beyond that which the User has personally observed through
the User's own game play. We encourage you to read our
Prohibited Programs FAQ at:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

...In the event that PokerStars deems that a User has engaged
in fraudulent, unlawful or improper activity while using the
Software or playing the Games, including without limitation
a User who has colluded or attempted to collude with another
user of the Software, or has used Prohibited ... programs,
PokerStars shall be entitled to take such action as it sees
fit, including immediately blocking access to the Games to
such User, terminating such User's account with PokerStars
and seizing all monies held in the relevant PokerStars "real
money account".

Please cease the use of the above applications immediately when
playing on PokerStars. For maximum safety and avoidance of future
warnings or escalations under the "Unfair Advantage" policy, it is
strongly advised that you remove these applications from your system
completely.

No reply to this Email is required. However, if we do detect this software running again in the future, we may take further action.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security

[FourFlusher]

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